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	<title>Comments on: Sweetland: We don&#8217;t need to drill, we just need to say we&#8217;re going to drill&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/07/23/sweetland-we-dont-need-to-drill-we-just-need-to-say-were-going-to-drill/#comment-167833</link>
		<dc:creator>rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Maffei&#8217;s opponent Dale Sweetland using mental gymnastics instead of reality to lower the price of oil. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: stlo7</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/07/23/sweetland-we-dont-need-to-drill-we-just-need-to-say-were-going-to-drill/#comment-166456</link>
		<dc:creator>stlo7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeez Ghost - 

Thanks for the advice.  I'll take it under advisement.

To suggest this is a personal thing - about you is, well, too self serving for my taste.  See, - I believe, as others have pointed out, that you are on the wring side of this specific discussion.  For those late to the conversation - the wrong side is  calling voters you ultimately trying to court - morons or by extension, letting comments like that stand.

I have agreed with other comments you have made (even in this post) so it is certainly not you - it is simply the moron comment is incorrect.  You certainly can believe it.  I'm just trying to point out it doesn't get you want you ultimately want. 

You want to take this off line - you have my email.

Otherwise, I believe we are done with this discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez Ghost - </p>
<p>Thanks for the advice.  I&#8217;ll take it under advisement.</p>
<p>To suggest this is a personal thing - about you is, well, too self serving for my taste.  See, - I believe, as others have pointed out, that you are on the wring side of this specific discussion.  For those late to the conversation - the wrong side is  calling voters you ultimately trying to court - morons or by extension, letting comments like that stand.</p>
<p>I have agreed with other comments you have made (even in this post) so it is certainly not you - it is simply the moron comment is incorrect.  You certainly can believe it.  I&#8217;m just trying to point out it doesn&#8217;t get you want you ultimately want. </p>
<p>You want to take this off line - you have my email.</p>
<p>Otherwise, I believe we are done with this discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: GhostofMurrow</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/07/23/sweetland-we-dont-need-to-drill-we-just-need-to-say-were-going-to-drill/#comment-166314</link>
		<dc:creator>GhostofMurrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stlo7

Telling people who they are for or against after they said it is not he best way to foster people to be involved with this blog, just a word of advice. Just hope you are not making this moron thing a personal thing against me...that would be very sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stlo7</p>
<p>Telling people who they are for or against after they said it is not he best way to foster people to be involved with this blog, just a word of advice. Just hope you are not making this moron thing a personal thing against me&#8230;that would be very sad.</p>
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		<title>By: stlo7</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/07/23/sweetland-we-dont-need-to-drill-we-just-need-to-say-were-going-to-drill/#comment-166113</link>
		<dc:creator>stlo7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Jiminy - you are not with GOM - you are with those who believe the candidates are fair game and you don't earn votes but calling the voters morons.

reread all comments.

I'll have more on all of this later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Jiminy - you are not with GOM - you are with those who believe the candidates are fair game and you don&#8217;t earn votes but calling the voters morons.</p>
<p>reread all comments.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have more on all of this later.</p>
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		<title>By: jiminybizbo</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/07/23/sweetland-we-dont-need-to-drill-we-just-need-to-say-were-going-to-drill/#comment-165759</link>
		<dc:creator>jiminybizbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I honestly, truly believe, with all of my soul and being that morons do exist.  Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I present before you John R. "Randy" Kuhl, Jr.

I rest my case.  As further evidence, this entry at dictionary.com:

&lt;strong&gt;mawr-on, mohr-] –noun &lt;/strong&gt;
1. a person who is notably stupid or lacking in good judgment.  
2. Psychology. a person of borderline intelligence in a former classification of mental retardation, having an intelligence quotient of 50 to 69.
3. John R. "Randy" Kuhl, Jr. (R-NY)

OK, so I made #3 up - sue me.  I'm with GOM on this one.  Sweetland's been to the JRK School of Politics, graduating with a GWB degree in strategery.  How powerful is a man who thinks he can scare OPEC into lowering the price of a barrel of oil with his meaningless words?  Probably about as powerful as the man who spends tens of thousands of dollars to go to Brazil to learn how to turn woodchips and switchgrass into nuclear power we can use to fuel our spaceships and head for Uranus.

*Sigh*  Maybe now we can take it a step further and find out how many "non-intelligent" types buy into either of these two mawr-on's theories.  After all, we're paying them for the pleasure, aren't we?  

So maybe we're all mawr-on's too?  Nah - we've got November!

MassaForCongress.com

"Get out of the way and let a real man do the job"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I honestly, truly believe, with all of my soul and being that morons do exist.  Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I present before you John R. &#8220;Randy&#8221; Kuhl, Jr.</p>
<p>I rest my case.  As further evidence, this entry at dictionary.com:</p>
<p><strong>mawr-on, mohr-] –noun </strong><br />
1. a person who is notably stupid or lacking in good judgment.<br />
2. Psychology. a person of borderline intelligence in a former classification of mental retardation, having an intelligence quotient of 50 to 69.<br />
3. John R. &#8220;Randy&#8221; Kuhl, Jr. (R-NY)</p>
<p>OK, so I made #3 up - sue me.  I&#8217;m with GOM on this one.  Sweetland&#8217;s been to the JRK School of Politics, graduating with a GWB degree in strategery.  How powerful is a man who thinks he can scare OPEC into lowering the price of a barrel of oil with his meaningless words?  Probably about as powerful as the man who spends tens of thousands of dollars to go to Brazil to learn how to turn woodchips and switchgrass into nuclear power we can use to fuel our spaceships and head for Uranus.</p>
<p>*Sigh*  Maybe now we can take it a step further and find out how many &#8220;non-intelligent&#8221; types buy into either of these two mawr-on&#8217;s theories.  After all, we&#8217;re paying them for the pleasure, aren&#8217;t we?  </p>
<p>So maybe we&#8217;re all mawr-on&#8217;s too?  Nah - we&#8217;ve got November!</p>
<p>MassaForCongress.com</p>
<p>&#8220;Get out of the way and let a real man do the job&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: btp</title>
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		<dc:creator>btp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa! Ghost, if you remember, I wrist-slapped stlo7 for being too harsh on you. Maybe he saw where this was going better than I did.  This is reminding me of one of those weird fights I've had with my wife where we end up saying "Why are we fighting about this, again?"

This is not about legitimizing RT to ANYONE.  What this is about is "Getting To Yes".  How does calling a bunch of people morons get them to vote for Massa?  Doesn't it instead make them say "Moron, eh?  Fine then, I'll keep voting for Kuhl."

You are a smart guy-- I mean that in all sincerity.  What is your ultimate goal and how does calling 29th voters "morons" get you closer to that goal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa! Ghost, if you remember, I wrist-slapped stlo7 for being too harsh on you. Maybe he saw where this was going better than I did.  This is reminding me of one of those weird fights I&#8217;ve had with my wife where we end up saying &#8220;Why are we fighting about this, again?&#8221;</p>
<p>This is not about legitimizing RT to ANYONE.  What this is about is &#8220;Getting To Yes&#8221;.  How does calling a bunch of people morons get them to vote for Massa?  Doesn&#8217;t it instead make them say &#8220;Moron, eh?  Fine then, I&#8217;ll keep voting for Kuhl.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are a smart guy&#8211; I mean that in all sincerity.  What is your ultimate goal and how does calling 29th voters &#8220;morons&#8221; get you closer to that goal?</p>
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		<title>By: GhostofMurrow</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/07/23/sweetland-we-dont-need-to-drill-we-just-need-to-say-were-going-to-drill/#comment-165647</link>
		<dc:creator>GhostofMurrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What this really is about is RT trying to legitimize itself to moderate Republicans and Rep campaign trolls by wrist slapping the progressives and liberals who had to tolerate 8 years of moronic thinking when it comes to other people picking candidates and electing them to office and then when said libs and progressives voice their frustrations and their right to a well-founded opinion, out come the blogs writers to give 'em a "what for". The government and its candidates are a reflection of the people, therefore by "allowing" credence to calling a candidate a moron, you are in fact instituting a double standard. So...no...I am not giving it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What this really is about is RT trying to legitimize itself to moderate Republicans and Rep campaign trolls by wrist slapping the progressives and liberals who had to tolerate 8 years of moronic thinking when it comes to other people picking candidates and electing them to office and then when said libs and progressives voice their frustrations and their right to a well-founded opinion, out come the blogs writers to give &#8216;em a &#8220;what for&#8221;. The government and its candidates are a reflection of the people, therefore by &#8220;allowing&#8221; credence to calling a candidate a moron, you are in fact instituting a double standard. So&#8230;no&#8230;I am not giving it up.</p>
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		<title>By: stlo7</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/07/23/sweetland-we-dont-need-to-drill-we-just-need-to-say-were-going-to-drill/#comment-165631</link>
		<dc:creator>stlo7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Candidates are a fair target - a singular fair target.  I find it difficult to be believe that you go about courting voters who voted against your side by calling them - Morons, idiots or otherwise.

I find it hard to believe that name calling on the path of persuasion.  

Sure sometimes it gets the best of us - I suspect a deep search on this blog may find me using words in the heat of writing.  

There is a difference between the heat of writing and the objectivity of hindsight.    

Give it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Candidates are a fair target - a singular fair target.  I find it difficult to be believe that you go about courting voters who voted against your side by calling them - Morons, idiots or otherwise.</p>
<p>I find it hard to believe that name calling on the path of persuasion.  </p>
<p>Sure sometimes it gets the best of us - I suspect a deep search on this blog may find me using words in the heat of writing.  </p>
<p>There is a difference between the heat of writing and the objectivity of hindsight.    </p>
<p>Give it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Paige</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paige</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please show me where the standards changed.

People objected to YOU Mr. Ghost calling an entire group of people morons. Now that's different than calling a specific person a moron for a specific thing he said. Do you see the difference, Mr. Ghost? 

I don't see any change, and there are no "standards" anyway, there are just people's opinions on what is and is not acceptable.

So what was your point again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please show me where the standards changed.</p>
<p>People objected to YOU Mr. Ghost calling an entire group of people morons. Now that&#8217;s different than calling a specific person a moron for a specific thing he said. Do you see the difference, Mr. Ghost? </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see any change, and there are no &#8220;standards&#8221; anyway, there are just people&#8217;s opinions on what is and is not acceptable.</p>
<p>So what was your point again?</p>
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		<title>By: GhostofMurrow</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/07/23/sweetland-we-dont-need-to-drill-we-just-need-to-say-were-going-to-drill/#comment-165598</link>
		<dc:creator>GhostofMurrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep. Now I see we are changing the standard to just calling candidates morons and not the people who support them..after all candidates in this country are appointed, no one is really needed to buy into their crap, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep. Now I see we are changing the standard to just calling candidates morons and not the people who support them..after all candidates in this country are appointed, no one is really needed to buy into their crap, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Paige</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/07/23/sweetland-we-dont-need-to-drill-we-just-need-to-say-were-going-to-drill/#comment-165514</link>
		<dc:creator>Paige</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well thanks for the link.

Now I understand the background behind GhostofMurrow's comment. So when GhostofMurrow says 
&lt;blockquote&gt;except if you call him a moron, as I found out the hard way, people on this blog get really offended&lt;/blockquote&gt;GhostofMurrow is factually incorrect. People got upset when GhostofMurrow called a &lt;b&gt;group of people&lt;/b&gt; morons, but apparently no one has yet gotten upset when someone calls &lt;b&gt;an individual candidate&lt;/b&gt; a moron. And I can see that there is a difference between calling a group of people morons, and calling an individual candidate a moron for a specific comment he made.

This is much clearer now. To me, anyway. Is it clear to you, GhostofMurrow?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well thanks for the link.</p>
<p>Now I understand the background behind GhostofMurrow&#8217;s comment. So when GhostofMurrow says </p>
<blockquote><p>except if you call him a moron, as I found out the hard way, people on this blog get really offended</p></blockquote>
<p>GhostofMurrow is factually incorrect. People got upset when GhostofMurrow called a <b>group of people</b> morons, but apparently no one has yet gotten upset when someone calls <b>an individual candidate</b> a moron. And I can see that there is a difference between calling a group of people morons, and calling an individual candidate a moron for a specific comment he made.</p>
<p>This is much clearer now. To me, anyway. Is it clear to you, GhostofMurrow?</p>
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		<title>By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/07/23/sweetland-we-dont-need-to-drill-we-just-need-to-say-were-going-to-drill/#comment-165503</link>
		<dc:creator>rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] like to revisit our earlier video about Dale Sweetland&#8217;s claims about oil prices. Sweetland seems to be claiming that by [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] like to revisit our earlier video about Dale Sweetland&#8217;s claims about oil prices. Sweetland seems to be claiming that by [...]</p>
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		<title>By: stlo7</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/07/23/sweetland-we-dont-need-to-drill-we-just-need-to-say-were-going-to-drill/#comment-165464</link>
		<dc:creator>stlo7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep - the value of the dollar probably plays in there as well</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep - the value of the dollar probably plays in there as well</p>
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		<title>By: stlo7</title>
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		<dc:creator>stlo7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep - thanks exile..  I essentially wrote the wrote the same thing but must have closed the comptuer before the comment was posted..   

Ghost - I'm guessing you still disagree since you brought it up smiley face and all.

if anyone needs background on the reference?  &lt;a href="http://rochesterturning.com/2008/07/02/randy-kuhls-energy-mailer/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Here you go.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep - thanks exile..  I essentially wrote the wrote the same thing but must have closed the comptuer before the comment was posted..   </p>
<p>Ghost - I&#8217;m guessing you still disagree since you brought it up smiley face and all.</p>
<p>if anyone needs background on the reference?  <a href="http://rochesterturning.com/2008/07/02/randy-kuhls-energy-mailer/" rel="nofollow">Here you go.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Exile on Ericsson St.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Exile on Ericsson St.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm okay with calling candidates "morons", just not with calling all voters in a certain area of the state "morons".  Blanket statements about an individual are fine when they're accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m okay with calling candidates &#8220;morons&#8221;, just not with calling all voters in a certain area of the state &#8220;morons&#8221;.  Blanket statements about an individual are fine when they&#8217;re accurate.</p>
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