Comments on: Big news in the presidential campaign…and you won’t hear much about it in the mainstream media http://rochesterturning.com/2008/07/19/big-news-in-the-presidential-campaignand-you-wont-hear-much-about-it-in-the-mainstream-media/ turning the tide upstate Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:51:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate http://rochesterturning.com/2008/07/19/big-news-in-the-presidential-campaignand-you-wont-hear-much-about-it-in-the-mainstream-media/#comment-164428 rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:34:58 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/?p=5411#comment-164428 [...] but it really is quite remarkable: the national media is largely ignoring Iraqi PM Maliki’s endorsement of Obama’s withdrawl plan except for when it’s repeating Republican spin about it.  Here’s the New Republic on [...] [...] but it really is quite remarkable: the national media is largely ignoring Iraqi PM Maliki’s endorsement of Obama’s withdrawl plan except for when it’s repeating Republican spin about it.  Here’s the New Republic on [...]

]]> By: Russ Stresing http://rochesterturning.com/2008/07/19/big-news-in-the-presidential-campaignand-you-wont-hear-much-about-it-in-the-mainstream-media/#comment-164013 Russ Stresing Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:22:10 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/?p=5411#comment-164013 The Ackerman quote is both funny and sad. And, RC, I missed the import of the last sentence in your first post. I see your point now. Indeed, how <strong>do they justify their goal of staying in Iraq forever? The Ackerman quote is both funny and sad.

And, RC, I missed the import of the last sentence in your first post. I see your point now. Indeed, how do they justify their goal of staying in Iraq forever?

]]> By: Exile on Ericsson St. http://rochesterturning.com/2008/07/19/big-news-in-the-presidential-campaignand-you-wont-hear-much-about-it-in-the-mainstream-media/#comment-163871 Exile on Ericsson St. Sun, 20 Jul 2008 02:21:38 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/?p=5411#comment-163871 Spencer Ackerman had an interesting take on all of this at the panel discussion I saw him in. He said that if going from the 9th circle of hell to the 3rd was your goal, then you could call the surge a real success. Spencer Ackerman had an interesting take on all of this at the panel discussion I saw him in. He said that if going from the 9th circle of hell to the 3rd was your goal, then you could call the surge a real success.

]]> By: Rottenchester http://rochesterturning.com/2008/07/19/big-news-in-the-presidential-campaignand-you-wont-hear-much-about-it-in-the-mainstream-media/#comment-163844 Rottenchester Sun, 20 Jul 2008 00:47:59 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/?p=5411#comment-163844 I understand that it isn't a real victory. Here's what I meant: The Iraqi government is doing is what a number of Democrats have advocated, namely, that we declare victory and leave. The Iraqis have declared victory for us, and they want us to leave. Even though it is not a real victory, the declaration of victory puts McCain and the Bush Administration in a very tough spot. They have gotten what they said that they wanted. Now, what are they going to do? I understand that it isn’t a real victory. Here’s what I meant: The Iraqi government is doing is what a number of Democrats have advocated, namely, that we declare victory and leave. The Iraqis have declared victory for us, and they want us to leave.

Even though it is not a real victory, the declaration of victory puts McCain and the Bush Administration in a very tough spot. They have gotten what they said that they wanted. Now, what are they going to do?

]]> By: Russ Stresing http://rochesterturning.com/2008/07/19/big-news-in-the-presidential-campaignand-you-wont-hear-much-about-it-in-the-mainstream-media/#comment-163795 Russ Stresing Sat, 19 Jul 2008 21:59:18 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/?p=5411#comment-163795 Sorry, meant to post this on the earlier comment. I saw this story on Huffington earlier. And then there's this gem from ABC: The White House this afternoon accidentally sent to its extensive distribution list a Reuters story headlined "Iraqi PM backs Obama troop exit plan - magazine." The story relayed how Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki told the German magazine Der Spiegel that "he supported prospective U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's proposal that U.S. troops should leave Iraq within 16 months … ‘U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months. That, we think, would be the right timeframe for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes,'" the prime minister said. The White House employee had intended to send the article to an internal distribution list, ABC News' Martha Raddatz reports, but hit the wrong button. The misfire comes at an odd time for Bush foreign policy, at a time when Obama's campaign alleges the president is moving closer toward Obama's recommendations about international relations -- sending more U.S. troops to Afghanistan, discussing a "general time horizon" for U.S. troop withdrawal and launching talks with Iran. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/07/white-house-acc.html These bozos couldn't <strong>spell <strong><strike>victory Sorry, meant to post this on the earlier comment.

I saw this story on Huffington earlier. And then there’s this gem from ABC:

The White House this afternoon accidentally sent to its extensive distribution list a Reuters story headlined “Iraqi PM backs Obama troop exit plan - magazine.”

The story relayed how Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki told the German magazine Der Spiegel that “he supported prospective U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama’s proposal that U.S. troops should leave Iraq within 16 months … ‘U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months. That, we think, would be the right timeframe for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes,’” the prime minister said.

The White House employee had intended to send the article to an internal distribution list, ABC News’ Martha Raddatz reports, but hit the wrong button.

The misfire comes at an odd time for Bush foreign policy, at a time when Obama’s campaign alleges the president is moving closer toward Obama’s recommendations about international relations — sending more U.S. troops to Afghanistan, discussing a “general time horizon” for U.S. troop withdrawal and launching talks with Iran.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/07/white-house-acc.html

These bozos couldn’t spell victory

]]> By: Russ Stresing http://rochesterturning.com/2008/07/19/big-news-in-the-presidential-campaignand-you-wont-hear-much-about-it-in-the-mainstream-media/#comment-163790 Russ Stresing Sat, 19 Jul 2008 21:49:54 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/?p=5411#comment-163790 Bush invaded Iraq under false pretenses with manufactured intelligence that, despite the Administration's lies, the greater majority of the world's intelligence community DIDN'T agree with. Over 4,000 Americans were sacrificed for a war that never needed fighting. McCain flogged the invasion strategy like a rented mule and still wants to get it on with Iraq. Bush and McCain want an open-ended American military presence in a country that won't accept it. The prime minister of that country openly said that Obama's strategy is the one more acceptable to his country. You got a strange definition of 'victory' and 'achieved'. Bush invaded Iraq under false pretenses with manufactured intelligence that, despite the Administration’s lies, the greater majority of the world’s intelligence community DIDN’T agree with. Over 4,000 Americans were sacrificed for a war that never needed fighting. McCain flogged the invasion strategy like a rented mule and still wants to get it on with Iraq. Bush and McCain want an open-ended American military presence in a country that won’t accept it. The prime minister of that country openly said that Obama’s strategy is the one more acceptable to his country.

You got a strange definition of ‘victory’ and ‘achieved’.

]]> By: Rottenchester http://rochesterturning.com/2008/07/19/big-news-in-the-presidential-campaignand-you-wont-hear-much-about-it-in-the-mainstream-media/#comment-163788 Rottenchester Sat, 19 Jul 2008 21:35:14 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/?p=5411#comment-163788 I agree that this is a huge development. "Victory" in Iraq is at hand -- Saddam and the Baathists have been vanquished, and there's a government that can stand up on its hind legs and tell us to get out of town. It puts the Bush administration and McCain in a tough spot, because their supposed goal has been achieved. I agree that this is a huge development. “Victory” in Iraq is at hand — Saddam and the Baathists have been vanquished, and there’s a government that can stand up on its hind legs and tell us to get out of town. It puts the Bush administration and McCain in a tough spot, because their supposed goal has been achieved.

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