Comments on: The house call was a hit!!

By: stlo7

stlo7 — Sun, 18 May 2008 16:20:37 +0000

Again where on the tape was that comment? icecucumber was pretty sure of the quote I didn’t hear it.

By: tom

tom — Sun, 18 May 2008 15:56:01 +0000

It was at the nominating meeting at the German House. Mary Ellen and I talked about how thrilled we were that he said that, though I don’t remember his exact words. It was close to Dems shouldn’t support Dem candidates just because they are Dems.

By: stlo7

stlo7 — Sun, 18 May 2008 15:24:27 +0000

I don’t know. Sounds like you don’t either and since icecucumber73 said it I’ll wait until they come back and clarify.

By: Andrea

Andrea — Sun, 18 May 2008 15:18:57 +0000

Was it at the fundraiser instead, perhaps?

By: stlo7

stlo7 — Sun, 18 May 2008 15:06:11 +0000

I recall that reference and it was a reference to the GOP putting party over sound policies.

I just don’t recall what icecucumber73 attributed to Dean and don’t see it on the tapes of the convention. .

By: Andrea

Andrea — Sun, 18 May 2008 14:46:35 +0000

I think he said something to the effect of holding them accountable and expecting them to stand up for what was best for the country, not what’s best for the party.

By: stlo7

stlo7 — Sun, 18 May 2008 14:06:03 +0000

When exactly Did Howard Dean say this?

Howard Dean said that Democrats shouldn’t support other Democrats just because they are Democrats.

The tapes of Dean’s speech are on this website - I didn’t hear that.

Not that personally I disagree with the concept. There are two forces in action here - the aggregate and individual. A conflict arises when individuals don’t represent what the aggregate values of the party.

Taken together, Democrats believe in certain things and normally by one voting for those who are Democrats the voter will get “those” things.

However where this breaks down is at the individual level so the Democratic party had/has the likes of Joe Lieberman, and Zell Miller (locally we have David Dunning) who go against the grain of the party yet retain the party label until they either leave or are forced out.

In the end the voter has to decide if the specific candidate has earned their vote by representing most of not all of their values.

Again we are agreeing on the concept - I’m not sure Dean said this at the nominating convention.

By: icecucumber73

icecucumber73 — Sun, 18 May 2008 10:34:49 +0000

There was nothing truly special about Dean’s visit other than it was a visit to Rochester, so the media had to pay it some attention. I was at the nominating committee meeting and I heard something that should have been huge news, but it was overlooked by local media.

Howard Dean said that Democrats shouldn’t support other Democrats just because they are Democrats. Yes! This is why I still love Howard Dean. As Chair of the DNC, he is still saying what he believes.

By: Tom

Tom — Sat, 17 May 2008 09:56:45 +0000

While the fundraiser gave those who attended an up close and personal opportunity to see Dean, the designating meeting gave me the opportunity to really watch the faces of people I know react to what Gov. Dean had to say.

I paid particular attention to people who I know that don’t like Gov. Dean. There are still people who take every chance to tell me they are still skeptical of Dean, still think he may be a lunatic or simply think he has done nothing for the Democratic party.

Well, Thursday evening gave me the chance to see those skeptical people get caught up in the moment. I saw them react and smile and applaude Gov. Dean as he spoke about the 50 state strategy and the new neighbor to neighbor campaign model.

I know from past experience that seeing is believing and for so many this was their first opportunity to see Dean in person.

I’ll also admit to feeling a sense of vindication because finally there are now more people who understand what I’ve been feeling, believing, thinking and saying for 5 years….Howard Dean is an awesome guy with great idears who should have been president.