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		<title>By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/05/11/co-sleeping-revisited/#comment-154106</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] speaking about co-sleeping, I found this quote to be applicable to our situation here. From Linda Smith: Life is a constant [...]</description>
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		<title>By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/05/11/co-sleeping-revisited/#comment-141935</link>
		<dc:creator>rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 11:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] addressed co-sleeping a couple of days back. Allow me to hone my message a bit.  I just want the truth to come out and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: +++</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 15:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don’t let some asinine psa trump your parenting instincts. 
Infants abandoned while they sleep to some crib are deprived of the safety and security of a loving parent.  When you deprive babies of human interaction, they feel they world is a cold lonely place.  Do this too much and they will be drawn to the cold, harsh world view of the Republican party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don’t let some asinine psa trump your parenting instincts.<br />
Infants abandoned while they sleep to some crib are deprived of the safety and security of a loving parent.  When you deprive babies of human interaction, they feel they world is a cold lonely place.  Do this too much and they will be drawn to the cold, harsh world view of the Republican party.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 12:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, you don't sound judgemental about it.  you're right - everyone is different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, you don&#8217;t sound judgemental about it.  you&#8217;re right - everyone is different.</p>
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		<title>By: itchy</title>
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		<dc:creator>itchy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 12:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When was the last time you  rolled out of bed?   You probably haven't done that since you were... three?  Because you know the edge is there.  You know the baby is there, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When was the last time you  rolled out of bed?   You probably haven&#8217;t done that since you were&#8230; three?  Because you know the edge is there.  You know the baby is there, too.</p>
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		<title>By: ladkiddo</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/05/11/co-sleeping-revisited/#comment-141288</link>
		<dc:creator>ladkiddo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 11:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.nd.edu/~jmckenn1/lab/overlaying.html

I think this information from James McKenna, is also helpful.  I would agree with Rotten that more studies, revealing the actual circumstances of these infant mortalities are in order.</description>
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<p>I think this information from James McKenna, is also helpful.  I would agree with Rotten that more studies, revealing the actual circumstances of these infant mortalities are in order.</p>
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		<title>By: Rottenchester</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/05/11/co-sleeping-revisited/#comment-141275</link>
		<dc:creator>Rottenchester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 10:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's the latest systematic literature review I could find on co-sleeping:

http://archpedi.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/161/3/237

Bottom line:  more and better studies needed, no clear conclusion, etc.  for non-smoking sober families sleeping in beds, not couches.  I don't know how we go from this to PSAs on the dangers of co-sleeping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the latest systematic literature review I could find on co-sleeping:</p>
<p><a href="http://archpedi.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/161/3/237" rel="nofollow">http://archpedi.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/161/3/237</a></p>
<p>Bottom line:  more and better studies needed, no clear conclusion, etc.  for non-smoking sober families sleeping in beds, not couches.  I don&#8217;t know how we go from this to PSAs on the dangers of co-sleeping.</p>
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		<title>By: ladkiddo</title>
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		<dc:creator>ladkiddo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 02:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrea,
If I am sounding judgmental, I apologize. I do not mean to be so.  I did not co-sleep with my first 2 and I don't feel guilty about it.  They're great kids and are doing fine.  I wasn't brave enough to buck the system until the third, with whom I slept til he was 7 years old.  He, also is doing fine.  Every dyad is unique.  Bloom where you're planted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrea,<br />
If I am sounding judgmental, I apologize. I do not mean to be so.  I did not co-sleep with my first 2 and I don&#8217;t feel guilty about it.  They&#8217;re great kids and are doing fine.  I wasn&#8217;t brave enough to buck the system until the third, with whom I slept til he was 7 years old.  He, also is doing fine.  Every dyad is unique.  Bloom where you&#8217;re planted.</p>
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		<title>By: ladkiddo</title>
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		<dc:creator>ladkiddo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 02:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Andrea.  That's why I think the information should be available for parents to make that decision based on what's right for them.  I would just encourage parents to look into this for themselves and not rely on the MSM to provide them with the tools they will need to make that determination.  The PSAs are misleading.  Just another thing to make parents fearful of.  Knowledge is power, everyone.  Read!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Andrea.  That&#8217;s why I think the information should be available for parents to make that decision based on what&#8217;s right for them.  I would just encourage parents to look into this for themselves and not rely on the MSM to provide them with the tools they will need to make that determination.  The PSAs are misleading.  Just another thing to make parents fearful of.  Knowledge is power, everyone.  Read!!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 02:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ladkiddo - I'd feel WAY more guilty about a death that occurred in my bed than a SIDS death that occurred in a crib despite my best efforts (putting baby on back, no blankets, no toys, etc...)  I feel badly for the mother in your example b/c it probably was a SIDS death, but she'll always have that doubt about it.  

My daughter needed me to soothe her.  I was happy to get out of bed to do it.  Again, more sleep for both of us that way b/c of my anxities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ladkiddo - I&#8217;d feel WAY more guilty about a death that occurred in my bed than a SIDS death that occurred in a crib despite my best efforts (putting baby on back, no blankets, no toys, etc&#8230;)  I feel badly for the mother in your example b/c it probably was a SIDS death, but she&#8217;ll always have that doubt about it.  </p>
<p>My daughter needed me to soothe her.  I was happy to get out of bed to do it.  Again, more sleep for both of us that way b/c of my anxities.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 02:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not against co-sleeping, but it definately isn't for everyone or every baby.  I never slept a wink if I tried having my baby in bed with us.  Made us all miserable the next day.  Overall, the crib was the best thing for us.  I have friends who have very successfully co-slept though.  I don't think it's right for either group to judge one another about that type of parenting decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not against co-sleeping, but it definately isn&#8217;t for everyone or every baby.  I never slept a wink if I tried having my baby in bed with us.  Made us all miserable the next day.  Overall, the crib was the best thing for us.  I have friends who have very successfully co-slept though.  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s right for either group to judge one another about that type of parenting decision.</p>
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		<title>By: ladkiddo</title>
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		<dc:creator>ladkiddo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 02:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about living with the guilt of having your baby die of crib death in a crib away from the mother?  Did we throw out cribs when babies died in them-no we found safe ways to put babies in cribs.  How about safe co-sleeping guidelines?  Babies do not have the mechanisms in place, yet, to soothe themselves.  I'm not underestimating babies, has to do with the size of the brain when a baby is born.
Babies and children die in cars- do we stop transporting them in that manner?  No, we find the way to keep them safest while traveling, aka car-seats.


From Dr Nils Bergman:


&lt;blockquote&gt;
Protest despair response.

Failure to be kept in contact with the mothers skin, maintains Bergman, is not only a negative behaviour but also creates a state of pathophysiological stress. This is true for healthy full-term babies, as well as those born prematurely. As with other mammals that are moved from their natural environment, human babies react with protest and despair. In the protest phase, the baby tries intensely to re-establish contact with its correct environment, the mother, usually by crying.

If that fails, the baby becomes too tired to cry anymore. Instead it lapses into a state of despair in which the individual withdraws in order to conserve energy and concentrate on survival. The result of this is a lower body temperature and heartbeat, while at the same time there are greatly increased levels of stress hormones, because a baby separated from its mother, is in fact stressed. When the baby is returned to its correct environment, which is skin-to-skin on the mother's chest, the temperature and heart rate quickly return to normal levels.

Human babies are biologically extremely immature when they are born. Nils Bergman points out that the newborn's brain size is only 25% of its final size, which he compares with 45% in chimpanzees and 80% in antelopes. Not until around one year of age does the human baby's brain reach 80% of its final size. Compared with other mammals, we should have a 21-month pregnancy. The reason human babies are born so early and so immature is the fact that the width of the birth canal through the mother's pelvis was reduced when our ancestors started walking upright. At the same time the brain volume increased. The evolutionary solution was that babies began to be born earlier and therefore more immature, and in need of constant parental care.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about living with the guilt of having your baby die of crib death in a crib away from the mother?  Did we throw out cribs when babies died in them-no we found safe ways to put babies in cribs.  How about safe co-sleeping guidelines?  Babies do not have the mechanisms in place, yet, to soothe themselves.  I&#8217;m not underestimating babies, has to do with the size of the brain when a baby is born.<br />
Babies and children die in cars- do we stop transporting them in that manner?  No, we find the way to keep them safest while traveling, aka car-seats.</p>
<p>From Dr Nils Bergman:</p>
<blockquote><p>
Protest despair response.</p>
<p>Failure to be kept in contact with the mothers skin, maintains Bergman, is not only a negative behaviour but also creates a state of pathophysiological stress. This is true for healthy full-term babies, as well as those born prematurely. As with other mammals that are moved from their natural environment, human babies react with protest and despair. In the protest phase, the baby tries intensely to re-establish contact with its correct environment, the mother, usually by crying.</p>
<p>If that fails, the baby becomes too tired to cry anymore. Instead it lapses into a state of despair in which the individual withdraws in order to conserve energy and concentrate on survival. The result of this is a lower body temperature and heartbeat, while at the same time there are greatly increased levels of stress hormones, because a baby separated from its mother, is in fact stressed. When the baby is returned to its correct environment, which is skin-to-skin on the mother&#8217;s chest, the temperature and heart rate quickly return to normal levels.</p>
<p>Human babies are biologically extremely immature when they are born. Nils Bergman points out that the newborn&#8217;s brain size is only 25% of its final size, which he compares with 45% in chimpanzees and 80% in antelopes. Not until around one year of age does the human baby&#8217;s brain reach 80% of its final size. Compared with other mammals, we should have a 21-month pregnancy. The reason human babies are born so early and so immature is the fact that the width of the birth canal through the mother&#8217;s pelvis was reduced when our ancestors started walking upright. At the same time the brain volume increased. The evolutionary solution was that babies began to be born earlier and therefore more immature, and in need of constant parental care.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: DragonFlyEye</title>
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		<dc:creator>DragonFlyEye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 02:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um. . . forgive me if this seems obtuse, but if you could avoid living with the guilt of having killed your child by rolling over them in the night - either because you're drunk or just a heavy sleeper - why would you not just, like, do that?

Cribs are small and can easily fit in a bedroom, if you need them to.  Besides which, I think you underestimate children when you say the don't have "mechanisms" to soothe themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um. . . forgive me if this seems obtuse, but if you could avoid living with the guilt of having killed your child by rolling over them in the night - either because you&#8217;re drunk or just a heavy sleeper - why would you not just, like, do that?</p>
<p>Cribs are small and can easily fit in a bedroom, if you need them to.  Besides which, I think you underestimate children when you say the don&#8217;t have &#8220;mechanisms&#8221; to soothe themselves.</p>
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