Comments on: D&C Editorial Board - weapons for oil http://rochesterturning.com/2008/05/03/dc-editorial-board-weapons-for-oil/ turning the tide upstate Thu, 16 Oct 2008 01:10:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate http://rochesterturning.com/2008/05/03/dc-editorial-board-weapons-for-oil/#comment-174759 rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:36:02 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/05/03/dc-editorial-board-weapons-for-oil/#comment-174759 [...] this the next time someone tosses their hand up and says Taxes = Profit for the government, or supports a Gax Tax Holiday, or keeps tax breaks for Oil companies like Randy Kuhl, or, again, like Randy Kuhl says, we need to [...] [...] this the next time someone tosses their hand up and says Taxes = Profit for the government, or supports a Gax Tax Holiday, or keeps tax breaks for Oil companies like Randy Kuhl, or, again, like Randy Kuhl says, we need to [...]

]]> By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate http://rochesterturning.com/2008/05/03/dc-editorial-board-weapons-for-oil/#comment-142600 rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate Mon, 19 May 2008 14:11:57 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/05/03/dc-editorial-board-weapons-for-oil/#comment-142600 [...] I explained why that can’t happen in response to a D&C editorial about the Gas Tax Holiday. But you didn’t need me to tell you - President Bush delivered what he does best - failure in the Middle East. [...] [...] I explained why that can’t happen in response to a D&C editorial about the Gas Tax Holiday. But you didn’t need me to tell you - President Bush delivered what he does best - failure in the Middle East. [...]

]]> By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate http://rochesterturning.com/2008/05/03/dc-editorial-board-weapons-for-oil/#comment-139741 rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate Sun, 04 May 2008 16:48:48 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/05/03/dc-editorial-board-weapons-for-oil/#comment-139741 [...] Even Randy Kuhl gets into the act playing the blame game. The D&C plays its support role and we respond to its strongly worded editorial. Stop it [...] [...] Even Randy Kuhl gets into the act playing the blame game. The D&C plays its support role and we respond to its strongly worded editorial. Stop it [...]

]]> By: jiminybizbo http://rochesterturning.com/2008/05/03/dc-editorial-board-weapons-for-oil/#comment-139694 jiminybizbo Sun, 04 May 2008 12:59:42 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/05/03/dc-editorial-board-weapons-for-oil/#comment-139694 Americans are silly and dumb. They pay more for bottled water than they do for gas, and only complain about the gas. Americans are silly and dumb. They pay more for bottled water than they do for gas, and only complain about the gas.

]]> By: RussElba http://rochesterturning.com/2008/05/03/dc-editorial-board-weapons-for-oil/#comment-139635 RussElba Sun, 04 May 2008 00:29:13 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/05/03/dc-editorial-board-weapons-for-oil/#comment-139635 It seems that a lot of the agonizing over gas prices and what to do about them misses the point. There's really no going back. Gasoline prices in the US are not so much experiencing some catastrophic, conspiracy-driven surge out of control as they are undergoing a long overdue adjustment. We've been lucky to have had cheap gasoline for so long. Gas tax holiday pacifier aside, its a fantasy to imagine that there's a government mechanism available to lower prices or to stop their increase. Greater emphasis should be placed on getting people to realize that the genie is out of the bottle and there's no getting him back in. So now, let's hear what the plans are for helping us to adjust to increased costs rather than trying to hypnotize us into imagining the price will go back down. The hardest thing any politician has to do is to ask Americans to sacrifice. The most important thing a leader has to do is tell us we must. It seems that a lot of the agonizing over gas prices and what to do about them misses the point. There’s really no going back. Gasoline prices in the US are not so much experiencing some catastrophic, conspiracy-driven surge out of control as they are undergoing a long overdue adjustment. We’ve been lucky to have had cheap gasoline for so long. Gas tax holiday pacifier aside, its a fantasy to imagine that there’s a government mechanism available to lower prices or to stop their increase. Greater emphasis should be placed on getting people to realize that the genie is out of the bottle and there’s no getting him back in. So now, let’s hear what the plans are for helping us to adjust to increased costs rather than trying to hypnotize us into imagining the price will go back down.
The hardest thing any politician has to do is to ask Americans to sacrifice. The most important thing a leader has to do is tell us we must.

]]> By: jiminybizbo http://rochesterturning.com/2008/05/03/dc-editorial-board-weapons-for-oil/#comment-139626 jiminybizbo Sat, 03 May 2008 23:13:25 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/05/03/dc-editorial-board-weapons-for-oil/#comment-139626 The 3 states with the lowest gas prices are: 1. Alaska 2. Wyoming 3. New Jersey New Jersey? Yes. It's easy when you look at the advantages the 3 states above have. And they can be summarized by New Jersey's advantages. The prices are lower in New Jersey for a variety of reasons, one being that many of the state’s 4,000 stations are independently owned and drive up competition, which drops prices. Another is that New Jersey is flush with refineries and gasoline infrastructure like fuel pipelines and deep harbors to import petroleum from around the world. But probably the biggest reason is that New Jersey has the nation’s third-lowest gasoline tax, at 14.5 cents a gallon, and it hasn’t gone up in almost <strong>two decades.</strong> New Jersey is the <strong>fourth largest oil-producing state in the nation</strong>, according to the New Jersey Petroleum Council. It also has two major pipelines plus New York Harbor and Delaware Bay, which take in millions of gallons of crude oil from overseas. Money saved from not having far to ship gas is reflected in prices. The 3 states with the lowest gas prices are:

1. Alaska
2. Wyoming
3. New Jersey

New Jersey? Yes. It’s easy when you look at the advantages the 3 states above have. And they can be summarized by New Jersey’s advantages.

The prices are lower in New Jersey for a variety of reasons, one being that many of the state’s 4,000 stations are independently owned and drive up competition, which drops prices. Another is that New Jersey is flush with refineries and gasoline infrastructure like fuel pipelines and deep harbors to import petroleum from around the world.

But probably the biggest reason is that New Jersey has the nation’s third-lowest gasoline tax, at 14.5 cents a gallon, and it hasn’t gone up in almost two decades.

New Jersey is the fourth largest oil-producing state in the nation, according to the New Jersey Petroleum Council. It also has two major pipelines plus New York Harbor and Delaware Bay, which take in millions of gallons of crude oil from overseas. Money saved from not having far to ship gas is reflected in prices.

]]> By: stlo7 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/05/03/dc-editorial-board-weapons-for-oil/#comment-139617 stlo7 Sat, 03 May 2008 22:24:39 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/05/03/dc-editorial-board-weapons-for-oil/#comment-139617 John - <blockquote>why are gas prices lower in states with lower gasoline taxes?</blockquote> I don't know but I suspect it has to do with the distribution pricing. Something I'm not all that in tune with but from what I understand there are too many middlemen. I believe the Dems are trying to address it in the State Assembly and House. Look - more drilling does nothing for us. You can drop a well an ANWR today as you allude and it will be 10 plus years before oil is produced. Refining is the key but you have to do better than blame the Dems of lack of refining. Have to show me how the Dems have blocked new refineries. Even if they did, I'm sure it pales in comparision to the oil companies taking them off line at inconvenient moments. Now the obligatory swipe at Bush? A primary causal of the oil price spike is the falling dollar. Swipes at Bush are intended because when you take balanced budgets, surpluses and turn them in to economic weakness - well you reap what you sow, We do agree on relief to consumers. Figure out some relief for truckers maybe - that would impacts things we purchase perhaps lower food prices. Whatever we do it can't be a stunt. The stunt Hillary, McSame and Joe Robach are pitching., John -

why are gas prices lower in states with lower gasoline taxes?

I don’t know but I suspect it has to do with the distribution pricing. Something I’m not all that in tune with but from what I understand there are too many middlemen.

I believe the Dems are trying to address it in the State Assembly and House.

Look - more drilling does nothing for us. You can drop a well an ANWR today as you allude and it will be 10 plus years before oil is produced.

Refining is the key but you have to do better than blame the Dems of lack of refining. Have to show me how the Dems have blocked new refineries. Even if they did, I’m sure it pales in comparision to the oil companies taking them off line at inconvenient moments.

Now the obligatory swipe at Bush? A primary causal of the oil price spike is the falling dollar. Swipes at Bush are intended because when you take balanced budgets, surpluses and turn them in to economic weakness - well you reap what you sow,

We do agree on relief to consumers. Figure out some relief for truckers maybe - that would impacts things we purchase perhaps lower food prices. Whatever we do it can’t be a stunt. The stunt Hillary, McSame and Joe Robach are pitching.,

]]> By: John DiCaro http://rochesterturning.com/2008/05/03/dc-editorial-board-weapons-for-oil/#comment-139546 John DiCaro Sat, 03 May 2008 17:12:32 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/05/03/dc-editorial-board-weapons-for-oil/#comment-139546 stlo7: I agree with your general point about calls for a gas tax holiday being a political stunt. I do think, however, that there would be some relief for consumers. If oil companies and gasoline distributors can "fill the void" left by a tax reduction, why are gas prices lower in states with lower gasoline taxes? Krugman may be right regarding federal gas taxes, but a cut in state gas taxes would amount to a permanent, if artificial, reduction in prices. I see you used this issue to take the obligatory swipes at George Bush. How about equal time? The Democrats want to promote efforts to slow global climate change. This requires lower emissions from cars. Thus, high prices for gasoline support that policy. But, oops, the Democrats don't want to the price too high to really affect anybody. So they call for "action" to lower gas prices. Of course, they refuse to allow drilling for oil in the US or building more refineries here, "actions" that would actually help lower prices. So it could be said that Bush and the GOP are wrong on gas prices but, in fairness, the Democrats are wrong and hypocrites on gas prices. stlo7:

I agree with your general point about calls for a gas tax holiday being a political stunt. I do think, however, that there would be some relief for consumers. If oil companies and gasoline distributors can “fill the void” left by a tax reduction, why are gas prices lower in states with lower gasoline taxes? Krugman may be right regarding federal gas taxes, but a cut in state gas taxes would amount to a permanent, if artificial, reduction in prices.

I see you used this issue to take the obligatory swipes at George Bush. How about equal time? The Democrats want to promote efforts to slow global climate change. This requires lower emissions from cars. Thus, high prices for gasoline support that policy. But, oops, the Democrats don’t want to the price too high to really affect anybody. So they call for “action” to lower gas prices. Of course, they refuse to allow drilling for oil in the US or building more refineries here, “actions” that would actually help lower prices.

So it could be said that Bush and the GOP are wrong on gas prices but, in fairness, the Democrats are wrong and hypocrites on gas prices.

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