Comments on: Last night’s other election http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/23/last-nights-other-election/ turning the tide upstate Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:32:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/23/last-nights-other-election/#comment-141749 rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate Wed, 14 May 2008 13:51:17 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/23/last-nights-other-election/#comment-141749 [...] - we had this discussion a while [...] [...] - we had this discussion a while [...]

]]> By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/23/last-nights-other-election/#comment-136955 rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:31:01 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/23/last-nights-other-election/#comment-136955 [...] In yesterday’s most controversial post, we discussed Democrats’ near-victory in the reddest of red territory — Mississippi’s first Congressional district. The folks at TPM Election Central have some more info on the race that has possible implications for local races: Both Childers and Davis are strong social conservatives, so it might be useful to look at the major issue dividing them: Iraq, with Childers supporting a timetable for withdrawal and Davis in favor of staying. [...] [...] In yesterday’s most controversial post, we discussed Democrats’ near-victory in the reddest of red territory — Mississippi’s first Congressional district. The folks at TPM Election Central have some more info on the race that has possible implications for local races: Both Childers and Davis are strong social conservatives, so it might be useful to look at the major issue dividing them: Iraq, with Childers supporting a timetable for withdrawal and Davis in favor of staying. [...]

]]> By: Rottenchester http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/23/last-nights-other-election/#comment-136747 Rottenchester Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:44:04 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/23/last-nights-other-election/#comment-136747 <blockquote> I'll let you have the last word. </blockquote>

I’ll let you have the last word.

]]> By: stlo7 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/23/last-nights-other-election/#comment-136688 stlo7 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:25:49 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/23/last-nights-other-election/#comment-136688 I get the bullying tactic what is the benefit here. So we get the other groups back in line by keeping the same people? Most of Mendon will be back in the GOP committee. I guess the Irondequoit committee is still intact. What really changed here? but <blockquote>"I stand fully corrected and will now slink away."</blockquote> I get the bullying tactic what is the benefit here. So we get the other groups back in line by keeping the same people? Most of Mendon will be back in the GOP committee. I guess the Irondequoit committee is still intact.

What really changed here?

but

“I stand fully corrected and will now slink away.”

]]> By: Rottenchester http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/23/last-nights-other-election/#comment-136683 Rottenchester Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:07:44 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/23/last-nights-other-election/#comment-136683 It's an old bully tactic to single some group out to get others back into line. I really don't read a whole lot more into it than that. I am willing to accept that the particular committee, Mendon, was picked arbitrarily in service of Minarik's greater purpose, and it could just as well have been some other town. It’s an old bully tactic to single some group out to get others back into line. I really don’t read a whole lot more into it than that. I am willing to accept that the particular committee, Mendon, was picked arbitrarily in service of Minarik’s greater purpose, and it could just as well have been some other town.

]]> By: ladkiddo http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/23/last-nights-other-election/#comment-136670 ladkiddo Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:26:11 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/23/last-nights-other-election/#comment-136670 Whoops-my bad, bought the wrong vowel. Where's Pat Sajak (sp?) when you need him? Whoops-my bad, bought the wrong vowel. Where’s Pat Sajak (sp?) when you need him?

]]> By: stlo7 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/23/last-nights-other-election/#comment-136669 stlo7 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:11:35 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/23/last-nights-other-election/#comment-136669 <blockquote>Say what you will about Mr Minarik, he saw a problem and made an effort to acknowledge and solve it.</blockquote> Rotten - there has to be more than mets the eye in Mendon. I mean is the Irondequoit committee still around or did Steve swoop in and disband them after they lost. It isn't always about some imagined efficiency Greece GOP and Beebe? Webster GOP and Gumina?

Say what you will about Mr Minarik, he saw a problem and made an effort to acknowledge and solve it.

Rotten - there has to be more than mets the eye in Mendon. I mean is the Irondequoit committee still around or did Steve swoop in and disband them after they lost. It isn’t always about some imagined efficiency

Greece GOP and Beebe? Webster GOP and Gumina?

]]> By: Rottenchester http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/23/last-nights-other-election/#comment-136663 Rottenchester Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:53:50 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/23/last-nights-other-election/#comment-136663 Sorry, probably wasn't clear in what I wrote. I expect the head of the MCDC to resign, not town committees to be disbanded. Generally, I expect action in the face of failure, not inaction and dissembling. Say what you will about Mr Minarik, he saw a problem and made an effort to acknowledge and solve it. Also, just to be clear, God Bless the Democratic town committees -- really. It's hard out there in the 'burbs. I'm not criticizing them. I don't agree with your point that there's no suitable replacement for Mr Morelle. If he resigns, I'm sure someone would take his job. If not, perhaps the ensuing chaos would wake some people up. (Also, nice to see that you know about the Fail-a-Tron. That was an early version of the Fail-o-Tron 6000. The Fail-a-Tron was a less successful prototype powered by the sweat of pimply nerds who were rejected when asking girls out for dates. It turns out that the Fail-o-Tron was more successful because bitter tears of disappointment are more powerful than flop sweat of rejection. ) Sorry, probably wasn’t clear in what I wrote. I expect the head of the MCDC to resign, not town committees to be disbanded. Generally, I expect action in the face of failure, not inaction and dissembling. Say what you will about Mr Minarik, he saw a problem and made an effort to acknowledge and solve it.

Also, just to be clear, God Bless the Democratic town committees — really. It’s hard out there in the ‘burbs. I’m not criticizing them.

I don’t agree with your point that there’s no suitable replacement for Mr Morelle. If he resigns, I’m sure someone would take his job. If not, perhaps the ensuing chaos would wake some people up.

(Also, nice to see that you know about the Fail-a-Tron. That was an early version of the Fail-o-Tron 6000. The Fail-a-Tron was a less successful prototype powered by the sweat of pimply nerds who were rejected when asking girls out for dates. It turns out that the Fail-o-Tron was more successful because bitter tears of disappointment are more powerful than flop sweat of rejection. )

]]> By: Exile on Ericsson St. http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/23/last-nights-other-election/#comment-136644 Exile on Ericsson St. Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:14:24 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/23/last-nights-other-election/#comment-136644 I've got to second everything that ladkiddo is saying here. I realize that there's a couple bit elephants in the room on this -- the DCCC's failure to throw money at Massa/Kuhl (which was dumb) and the MCDC's decision not to run a candidate for County Exec (which was even dumber). But calling two groups "failbots" when they've both just experienced big gains in elections (MCDC picked up 2 seats in November) just strikes me as arrogant and misinformed. I’ve got to second everything that ladkiddo is saying here.

I realize that there’s a couple bit elephants in the room on this — the DCCC’s failure to throw money at Massa/Kuhl (which was dumb) and the MCDC’s decision not to run a candidate for County Exec (which was even dumber).

But calling two groups “failbots” when they’ve both just experienced big gains in elections (MCDC picked up 2 seats in November) just strikes me as arrogant and misinformed.

]]> By: ladkiddo http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/23/last-nights-other-election/#comment-136642 ladkiddo Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:03:05 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/23/last-nights-other-election/#comment-136642 I don't totally disagree with your logic, Rotten, but expecting the Democratic leader to come in and disband the town Democratic committees is laughable. Are you a member of your town committee? I am, and just getting 5 people to show up is a struggle. fire them, and what do you have to take their place. Ain't nobody waitin, dog like, at the door to replace them. Ain't nobody waitin to replace Joe, either. So, put yer money where yer mouth is, my fine man. We need intelligent, informed people such as you, and by not participating, you perpetuate the "Fail-a-tron" which you rail against. I don’t totally disagree with your logic, Rotten, but expecting the Democratic leader to come in and disband the town Democratic committees is laughable. Are you a member of your town committee? I am, and just getting 5 people to show up is a struggle. fire them, and what do you have to take their place. Ain’t nobody waitin, dog like, at the door to replace them. Ain’t nobody waitin to replace Joe, either. So, put yer money where yer mouth is, my fine man. We need intelligent, informed people such as you, and by not participating, you perpetuate the “Fail-a-tron” which you rail against.

]]> By: Rottenchester http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/23/last-nights-other-election/#comment-136631 Rottenchester Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:05:30 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/23/last-nights-other-election/#comment-136631 I have a different view, obviously, and expound on it here: http://www.fighting29th.com/2008/04/failers.html I have a different view, obviously, and expound on it here:

http://www.fighting29th.com/2008/04/failers.html

]]> By: stlo7 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/23/last-nights-other-election/#comment-136615 stlo7 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:22:47 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/23/last-nights-other-election/#comment-136615 Yep - I agree. I think there is more going one here than simply a DCCC spend. Is there organization and infrastructure in Mississippi? (I don't know) Yep - I agree. I think there is more going one here than simply a DCCC spend. Is there organization and infrastructure in Mississippi? (I don’t know)

]]> By: stlo7 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/23/last-nights-other-election/#comment-136614 stlo7 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:21:03 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/23/last-nights-other-election/#comment-136614 WOW - A double dose of cynicism (well if you count Exiles first retort not the second reponse) No correction Rotten just providing a different perspective. I would have liked to have won the seat last night but frankly I don't know anything about the candidate - how he resonates in the district. I have no first hand knowledge about this race and am dependent on various pundits spin. I'm pleased the DCCC provided resources in Mississippi. I wonder how Dean's 50 State strategy plays here as well. If there is a party infrastructure. Frankly I think there is a lot more in play here than how much the DCCC did or didn't contribute. WOW - A double dose of cynicism (well if you count Exiles first retort not the second reponse)

No correction Rotten just providing a different perspective.

I would have liked to have won the seat last night but frankly I don’t know anything about the candidate - how he resonates in the district. I have no first hand knowledge about this race and am dependent on various pundits spin.

I’m pleased the DCCC provided resources in Mississippi. I wonder how Dean’s 50 State strategy plays here as well. If there is a party infrastructure.

Frankly I think there is a lot more in play here than how much the DCCC did or didn’t contribute.

]]> By: Exile on Ericsson St. http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/23/last-nights-other-election/#comment-136601 Exile on Ericsson St. Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:50:03 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/23/last-nights-other-election/#comment-136601 Actually, the special election will bleed the NRCC further. I suspect the NRCC to spend at least as much as the DCCC In this one and since they have so much less, that's to the DCCC's advantage. The "bleed the NRCC" strategy isn't dumb. It's just that an outright win would have been great. Actually, the special election will bleed the NRCC further. I suspect the NRCC to spend at least as much as the DCCC In this one and since they have so much less, that’s to the DCCC’s advantage.

The “bleed the NRCC” strategy isn’t dumb. It’s just that an outright win would have been great.

]]> By: Exile on Ericsson St. http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/23/last-nights-other-election/#comment-136598 Exile on Ericsson St. Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:45:23 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/23/last-nights-other-election/#comment-136598 For the record, I think the DCCC was smart to contest this in the first place. And I think small ad buys in what seem to be longshot races are very, very smart. But, man, I bet they wish they'd spent a little more. It's going to be really interesting to see how all of this develops in other seemingly longshot special elections and through the general. The bottom line is that this race and IL-14 underscore the potential for large Democratic pick-ups in the House. For the record, I think the DCCC was smart to contest this in the first place. And I think small ad buys in what seem to be longshot races are very, very smart. But, man, I bet they wish they’d spent a little more.

It’s going to be really interesting to see how all of this develops in other seemingly longshot special elections and through the general. The bottom line is that this race and IL-14 underscore the potential for large Democratic pick-ups in the House.

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