Comments on: New Law School at St John Fisher? Why? http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/13/new-law-school-at-st-john-fisher-why/ turning the tide upstate Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:41:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/13/new-law-school-at-st-john-fisher-why/#comment-183699 rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:50:51 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/13/new-law-school-at-st-john-fisher-why/#comment-183699 [...] been asking this question and where is the media and editorial boards on it - repeatedly? Why a Law School?  Really Why?  Why choose a  Law School as opposed to the Children’s zone and where does [...] [...] been asking this question and where is the media and editorial boards on it - repeatedly? Why a Law School?  Really Why?  Why choose a  Law School as opposed to the Children’s zone and where does [...]

]]> By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/13/new-law-school-at-st-john-fisher-why/#comment-177500 rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:14:51 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/13/new-law-school-at-st-john-fisher-why/#comment-177500 [...] State budget is in trouble, Monies are cut. Does anyone know if the $2 million dollar St John Fisher law school earmark was affected?   I’m assuming it is not affected.  As I’ve said before it is [...] [...] State budget is in trouble, Monies are cut. Does anyone know if the $2 million dollar St John Fisher law school earmark was affected?   I’m assuming it is not affected.  As I’ve said before it is [...]

]]> By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/13/new-law-school-at-st-john-fisher-why/#comment-169592 rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:07:59 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/13/new-law-school-at-st-john-fisher-why/#comment-169592 [...] In this post about the dust up over daycare subsidies between Maggie Brooks and the State over who had money or not.  I questioned the priorities.  I wrote: Has anyone looked at State earmarks? Follow that link to see earmarks that came into Monroe County. Remember the Law School at St John Fisher. $2 million dollars for a study to see if we need a law school when legal experts say we don’t? [...] [...] In this post about the dust up over daycare subsidies between Maggie Brooks and the State over who had money or not.  I questioned the priorities.  I wrote: Has anyone looked at State earmarks? Follow that link to see earmarks that came into Monroe County. Remember the Law School at St John Fisher. $2 million dollars for a study to see if we need a law school when legal experts say we don’t? [...]

]]> By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/13/new-law-school-at-st-john-fisher-why/#comment-153843 rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:02:59 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/13/new-law-school-at-st-john-fisher-why/#comment-153843 [...] that came into Monroe County. Remember the Law School at St John Fisher. $2 million dollars for a study to see if we need a law school when legal experts say we [...] [...] that came into Monroe County. Remember the Law School at St John Fisher. $2 million dollars for a study to see if we need a law school when legal experts say we [...]

]]> By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/13/new-law-school-at-st-john-fisher-why/#comment-137938 rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:57:10 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/13/new-law-school-at-st-john-fisher-why/#comment-137938 [...] recently commented on Joe Robach’s election-year PR move, getting taxpayer money to help start up a law school at [...] [...] recently commented on Joe Robach’s election-year PR move, getting taxpayer money to help start up a law school at [...]

]]> By: Local Blogger Appreciation « Water Buffalo Press http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/13/new-law-school-at-st-john-fisher-why/#comment-133525 Local Blogger Appreciation « Water Buffalo Press Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:19:41 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/13/new-law-school-at-st-john-fisher-why/#comment-133525 [...] RochesterTurning [...] [...] RochesterTurning [...]

]]> By: dennis o'brien http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/13/new-law-school-at-st-john-fisher-why/#comment-133370 dennis o'brien Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:37:02 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/13/new-law-school-at-st-john-fisher-why/#comment-133370 political pork is not a bad thing. it is the only local control over spending. do you want the entire budget set by a group of folks that reside in just a handful of square miles? is it an election year thing? probably. does rochester need a law school? yes. could fisher come up with 2 mil so senator joe can cut someone else a giant check? probably. if joe uses member item money, it can't be for operational funds, so it can't go to a school that is facing a budget shortfall. if that school is building a stadium though, it can. joe can't put that money into the general fund so he will use it all. and if he uses it to benefit the community, the community wins in the long run. political pork is not a bad thing. it is the only local control over spending. do you want the entire budget set by a group of folks that reside in just a handful of square miles? is it an election year thing? probably. does rochester need a law school? yes. could fisher come up with 2 mil so senator joe can cut someone else a giant check? probably. if joe uses member item money, it can’t be for operational funds, so it can’t go to a school that is facing a budget shortfall. if that school is building a stadium though, it can. joe can’t put that money into the general fund so he will use it all. and if he uses it to benefit the community, the community wins in the long run.

]]> By: stlo7 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/13/new-law-school-at-st-john-fisher-why/#comment-133317 stlo7 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:33:05 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/13/new-law-school-at-st-john-fisher-why/#comment-133317 I don't know Dennis - how is this a bad idea. I mean sure education - higher education is usually a good idea. but <blockquote>"we need a law school."</blockquote> Really. Did this need just materialize this year? Have we always needed a lawschool? I'm just asking. I don't recall hearing a chorus of cries that Rochester NY needs law school. <blockquote>Re $2 million out of $134 Billion.</blockquote> Yeah - I get it someday we will talk about real money. Duffy's surge is how much? $9 million. Both the County and the City are in the hole financially. What is another couple of million going somewhere else. <b>My question was and remains is this the best use of $2 million dollars NOW. Is it responsible. That was my question. Oh - political pork? Yeah that too</b>. one more thing - every lawyer had to leave to get a law degree. Yep. and know what? they came back to practice law. Am I against building a school? No. Actually I think it is a good idea. I want to know if it is really what Rochester needs right now and is it the best use of $2 million of State Money (and the rest that will likely be given as well). I don’t know Dennis - how is this a bad idea. I mean sure education - higher education is usually a good idea. but

“we need a law school.”

Really. Did this need just materialize this year? Have we always needed a lawschool? I’m just asking. I don’t recall hearing a chorus of cries that Rochester NY needs law school.

Re $2 million out of $134 Billion.

Yeah - I get it someday we will talk about real money. Duffy’s surge is how much? $9 million. Both the County and the City are in the hole financially. What is another couple of million going somewhere else.

My question was and remains is this the best use of $2 million dollars NOW. Is it responsible. That was my question. Oh - political pork? Yeah that too.

one more thing - every lawyer had to leave to get a law degree. Yep. and know what? they came back to practice law.

Am I against building a school? No. Actually I think it is a good idea. I want to know if it is really what Rochester needs right now and is it the best use of $2 million of State Money (and the rest that will likely be given as well).

]]> By: neweyes http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/13/new-law-school-at-st-john-fisher-why/#comment-133314 neweyes Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:25:13 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/13/new-law-school-at-st-john-fisher-why/#comment-133314 Making an issue of spending public money on a private school is not insanely stupid. What's insanely stupid is being against pork barrel spending, except when it's my pork. I reiterate, with stlo7: Joe Robach's priorities are singular: getting reelected. Making an issue of spending public money on a private school is not insanely stupid. What’s insanely stupid is being against pork barrel spending, except when it’s my pork. I reiterate, with stlo7: Joe Robach’s priorities are singular: getting reelected.

]]> By: dennis o'brien http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/13/new-law-school-at-st-john-fisher-why/#comment-133305 dennis o'brien Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:38:41 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/13/new-law-school-at-st-john-fisher-why/#comment-133305 how is this a bad idea? 2million out of a 124 billion dollar budget that will help rochester's economy is not bad. throw it in with the upstate revitalization fund. we need a law school. the logic that there are some nearby is insanely stupid. by that logic we don't jobs in rochester either as long as buffalo or syracuse has them. talk about brain drain. every lawyer in this town had to leave to get that. you send people away, you might not get them back. how is this a bad idea? 2million out of a 124 billion dollar budget that will help rochester’s economy is not bad. throw it in with the upstate revitalization fund. we need a law school. the logic that there are some nearby is insanely stupid. by that logic we don’t jobs in rochester either as long as buffalo or syracuse has them. talk about brain drain. every lawyer in this town had to leave to get that. you send people away, you might not get them back.

]]> By: stlo7 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/13/new-law-school-at-st-john-fisher-why/#comment-132825 stlo7 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:17:37 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/13/new-law-school-at-st-john-fisher-why/#comment-132825 Yep - I thought I made it clear with this sentence. <blockquote>I have a feeling this $2 million dollars is simply a really expensive calendar so we know when it is election time.</blockquote> Yep - I thought I made it clear with this sentence.

I have a feeling this $2 million dollars is simply a really expensive calendar so we know when it is election time.

]]> By: Rochesterguy http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/13/new-law-school-at-st-john-fisher-why/#comment-132799 Rochesterguy Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:12:33 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/13/new-law-school-at-st-john-fisher-why/#comment-132799 The City graduates 39 per cent of its high school students, the zero tolerance policy needs money for police overtime, the City budget needs more than $15 million to be balanced and Mayor Duffy is considering cutbacks and layoffs, city residents may lose some services, the FAIR plan raids suburban school districts and Joe Robach's response is to get more than $2 million to help a private suburban college train more lawyers? I do not understand his priorities but they are just plain wrong for this district. Did anyone ever say that this is what his Senate district needs? It is a sign that he and his GOP colleagues have no idea what this community needs from the state. The City graduates 39 per cent of its high school students, the zero tolerance policy needs money for police overtime, the City budget needs more than $15 million to be balanced and Mayor Duffy is considering cutbacks and layoffs, city residents may lose some services, the FAIR plan raids suburban school districts and Joe Robach’s response is to get more than $2 million to help a private suburban college train more lawyers? I do not understand his priorities but they are just plain wrong for this district. Did anyone ever say that this is what his Senate district needs? It is a sign that he and his GOP colleagues have no idea what this community needs from the state.

]]> By: Exile on Ericsson St. http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/13/new-law-school-at-st-john-fisher-why/#comment-132784 Exile on Ericsson St. Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:21:19 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/13/new-law-school-at-st-john-fisher-why/#comment-132784 I agree. The message here is "maybe it's great to have a new law school here, but could this be any more of an obvious political give away to help Robach?" I agree. The message here is “maybe it’s great to have a new law school here, but could this be any more of an obvious political give away to help Robach?”

]]> By: neweyes http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/13/new-law-school-at-st-john-fisher-why/#comment-132774 neweyes Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:44:05 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/13/new-law-school-at-st-john-fisher-why/#comment-132774 The issue isn't a new law school, whether we need one or not, private v public, or anything like that. It's about Joe Robach getting great media coverage and a great story in the middle of a campaign -- another "cardboard check" story. Having worked in PR and media relations on a number of campaigns I can smell them a mile away, and this one stinks like a red herring. The only reason this story exists is because Robach is heading into a serious campaign. The issue isn’t a new law school, whether we need one or not, private v public, or anything like that. It’s about Joe Robach getting great media coverage and a great story in the middle of a campaign — another “cardboard check” story. Having worked in PR and media relations on a number of campaigns I can smell them a mile away, and this one stinks like a red herring. The only reason this story exists is because Robach is heading into a serious campaign.

]]> By: stlo7 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/13/new-law-school-at-st-john-fisher-why/#comment-132762 stlo7 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:05:28 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/13/new-law-school-at-st-john-fisher-why/#comment-132762 $37 million is an extremely small endowment. Sure compared to Harvard's Billions. Sure. But isn't the point here timing? Plus our dysfunctional State government who just passed a rather large Budget. A budget that continues to grow. What exactly are the arrangements and exactly what is SJF contributing? I understand about your friends. Has there been a demand for this service in the past? Has it been talked about? $37 million is an extremely small endowment. Sure compared to Harvard’s Billions. Sure.

But isn’t the point here timing? Plus our dysfunctional State government who just passed a rather large Budget. A budget that continues to grow.

What exactly are the arrangements and exactly what is SJF contributing? I understand about your friends.

Has there been a demand for this service in the past? Has it been talked about?

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