Comments on: The power of the right-wing propaganda machine http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/02/the-power-of-the-right-wing-propaganda-machine/ turning the tide upstate Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:06:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: whtwtrdood http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/02/the-power-of-the-right-wing-propaganda-machine/#comment-129855 whtwtrdood Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:43:10 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/02/the-power-of-the-right-wing-propaganda-machine/#comment-129855 After seeing this story today in the NYT, I stand corrected. The Right-Wing Smear Machine is definitely out of hand! http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/03/air-america-host-suspended-for-clinton-remarks/ So, she has made jokes about assassinating President Bush and that's acceptable. During the Republican Primaries, she joked that if John McCain got the nomination Mitt Romney's supporters would go on a killing spree and then commit mass suicide, and that was okay. She calls Hillary Clinton a whore, and is immediately suspended. Hmmm. Perhaps David Shuster can give her some ideas on how she can occupy herself with all the free time she's going to have now. In all seriousness, people need to understand this is just another example of how much of an egomaniac Senator Clinton is. She used used to getting what she wants and too damn bad for anyone in her way. After seeing this story today in the NYT, I stand corrected. The Right-Wing Smear Machine is definitely out of hand!

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/03/air-america-host-suspended-for-clinton-remarks/

So, she has made jokes about assassinating President Bush and that’s acceptable. During the Republican Primaries, she joked that if John McCain got the nomination Mitt Romney’s supporters would go on a killing spree and then commit mass suicide, and that was okay. She calls Hillary Clinton a whore, and is immediately suspended. Hmmm. Perhaps David Shuster can give her some ideas on how she can occupy herself with all the free time she’s going to have now.

In all seriousness, people need to understand this is just another example of how much of an egomaniac Senator Clinton is. She used used to getting what she wants and too damn bad for anyone in her way.

]]> By: ElmerJK http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/02/the-power-of-the-right-wing-propaganda-machine/#comment-129812 ElmerJK Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:38:09 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/02/the-power-of-the-right-wing-propaganda-machine/#comment-129812 You didn't hear that from me :) You didn’t hear that from me :)

]]> By: Exile on Ericsson St. http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/02/the-power-of-the-right-wing-propaganda-machine/#comment-129798 Exile on Ericsson St. Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:07:08 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/02/the-power-of-the-right-wing-propaganda-machine/#comment-129798 Are you trying to claim that McCain is white? Are you trying to claim that McCain is white?

]]> By: ElmerJK http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/02/the-power-of-the-right-wing-propaganda-machine/#comment-129796 ElmerJK Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:04:59 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/02/the-power-of-the-right-wing-propaganda-machine/#comment-129796 Some liberal people I know will take anything that is pro-McCain as anti-Obama and therefore racist. Some liberal people I know will take anything that is pro-McCain as anti-Obama and therefore racist.

]]> By: Exile on Ericsson St. http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/02/the-power-of-the-right-wing-propaganda-machine/#comment-129742 Exile on Ericsson St. Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:59:18 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/02/the-power-of-the-right-wing-propaganda-machine/#comment-129742 Only if it says "Vote for McCain....or the terrorists win". Only if it says “Vote for McCain….or the terrorists win”.

]]> By: ElmerJK http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/02/the-power-of-the-right-wing-propaganda-machine/#comment-129728 ElmerJK Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:26:01 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/02/the-power-of-the-right-wing-propaganda-machine/#comment-129728 Will a "Vote for McCain" sign be considered a racist right wing propaganda vehicle? Will a “Vote for McCain” sign be considered a racist right wing propaganda vehicle?

]]> By: Exile on Ericsson St. http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/02/the-power-of-the-right-wing-propaganda-machine/#comment-129705 Exile on Ericsson St. Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:19:33 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/02/the-power-of-the-right-wing-propaganda-machine/#comment-129705 I'm not even sure it's true (that Stone turned him in) -- more of an interesting side note. I’m not even sure it’s true (that Stone turned him in) — more of an interesting side note.

]]> By: ElmerJK http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/02/the-power-of-the-right-wing-propaganda-machine/#comment-129703 ElmerJK Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:15:30 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/02/the-power-of-the-right-wing-propaganda-machine/#comment-129703 It really doesn't matter - if a Democrat turned in a Republican under similar circumstances I would be mad at the Republican and understand that the Democrat is doing what he or she needs to do. It really doesn’t matter - if a Democrat turned in a Republican under similar circumstances I would be mad at the Republican and understand that the Democrat is doing what he or she needs to do.

]]> By: Exile on Ericsson St. http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/02/the-power-of-the-right-wing-propaganda-machine/#comment-129696 Exile on Ericsson St. Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:40:24 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/02/the-power-of-the-right-wing-propaganda-machine/#comment-129696 John DiCaro: I should add that I definitely respect that you cited the Anneberg Fact Check as opposed to another source, though. Even though I have my problems with them and don't agree with them here, they are a more reputable source than most. John DiCaro: I should add that I definitely respect that you cited the Anneberg Fact Check as opposed to another source, though. Even though I have my problems with them and don’t agree with them here, they are a more reputable source than most.

]]> By: Grievous Angel http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/02/the-power-of-the-right-wing-propaganda-machine/#comment-129692 Grievous Angel Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:21:09 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/02/the-power-of-the-right-wing-propaganda-machine/#comment-129692 Is this an argument for a moderate? Hmmm...who is most likely to be a moderate in this race? Who could it be? Who could it be? Is this an argument for a moderate? Hmmm…who is most likely to be a moderate in this race? Who could it be? Who could it be?

]]> By: stlo7 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/02/the-power-of-the-right-wing-propaganda-machine/#comment-129672 stlo7 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:40:30 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/02/the-power-of-the-right-wing-propaganda-machine/#comment-129672 Which goes back to critical thinking. Bottom line - John McCain is a continuation of Bush with regards to Iraq. Clinton and Obama are not. Iraq ends sooner rather under Clinton or Obama than McCain. Yes, there is a left wing narrative as well. The question is which one has a broader reach on Main street. The left wing noise machine pales in comparison to its counterpart. Finally - all Republicans are not bad, Nor are all Democrats good in terms of policies supported. Frankly I want our government to institute polices at cater to all interests (best it can) rather than a narrow set of interests or self interest. I see Republicans in general (modern party) needing the most help. In terms of Democrats - More <i>better</i> Democrats is important to me. The operative word being "better". More later after a morning appointment.... Which goes back to critical thinking.

Bottom line - John McCain is a continuation of Bush with regards to Iraq. Clinton and Obama are not. Iraq ends sooner rather under Clinton or Obama than McCain.

Yes, there is a left wing narrative as well. The question is which one has a broader reach on Main street. The left wing noise machine pales in comparison to its counterpart.

Finally - all Republicans are not bad, Nor are all Democrats good in terms of policies supported. Frankly I want our government to institute polices at cater to all interests (best it can) rather than a narrow set of interests or self interest.

I see Republicans in general (modern party) needing the most help. In terms of Democrats - More better Democrats is important to me. The operative word being “better”.

More later after a morning appointment….

]]> By: Exile on Ericsson St. http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/02/the-power-of-the-right-wing-propaganda-machine/#comment-129668 Exile on Ericsson St. Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:31:43 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/02/the-power-of-the-right-wing-propaganda-machine/#comment-129668 This is interesting. McCain did say we might be there for 100 years. And it's unrealistic to think such a stay will be as peaceful as the stay in Korea. So I think that the Obama charge is fair, though I can also see why you might disagree. The Annenberg Political Fact Check is, unfortunately, a joke. In their effort to appear "centrist", they have to hit the Democrats every time they hit the Republicans. If Bush said the earth was flat and Democrats said it was round, the Annenberg people would say "they're both wrong because it's an oblate spheroid, which isn't perfectly round." This is interesting. McCain did say we might be there for 100 years. And it’s unrealistic to think such a stay will be as peaceful as the stay in Korea. So I think that the Obama charge is fair, though I can also see why you might disagree.

The Annenberg Political Fact Check is, unfortunately, a joke. In their effort to appear “centrist”, they have to hit the Democrats every time they hit the Republicans. If Bush said the earth was flat and Democrats said it was round, the Annenberg people would say “they’re both wrong because it’s an oblate spheroid, which isn’t perfectly round.”

]]> By: Exile on Ericsson St. http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/02/the-power-of-the-right-wing-propaganda-machine/#comment-129667 Exile on Ericsson St. Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:27:46 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/02/the-power-of-the-right-wing-propaganda-machine/#comment-129667 Funny. Weirdly enough, though, the investigation may have been spurred by a tip from GOP trickster Roger Stone. That's what Stone claims in fact -- though I'm not inclined to believe him, to be honest with you. Funny.

Weirdly enough, though, the investigation may have been spurred by a tip from GOP trickster Roger Stone. That’s what Stone claims in fact — though I’m not inclined to believe him, to be honest with you.

]]> By: John DiCaro http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/02/the-power-of-the-right-wing-propaganda-machine/#comment-129666 John DiCaro Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:24:12 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/02/the-power-of-the-right-wing-propaganda-machine/#comment-129666 Guys: While you're at bashing that "right-wing propaganda machine", don't forget that politicians and their supporters on both sides obfuscate, exaggerate, and outright lie all of the time. Case in point, Obama's repeated argument that McCain wants the war in Iraq to last 100 years. Obama and team have distorted what he said so much so that the Annenberg Political Fact Check, a nonprofit and nonpartisan project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania, stated: "It's a rank falsehood for the DNC to accuse McCain of wanting to wage 'endless war' based on his support for a presence in Iraq something like the U.S. role in South Korea." That's not stopping Obama one of whose senior aides was quoted saying its rare you get such a "clean shot". Both sides have propaganda machines. It really irks me when you guys act like Republicans are all evil, self-interested fascists and Democrats are all altruistic, thoughtful public servants who have never acted out of bad motives. Why can't you deal with a particular issue without the unnecessary and overblown generalizations? Guys:

While you’re at bashing that “right-wing propaganda machine”, don’t forget that politicians and their supporters on both sides obfuscate, exaggerate, and outright lie all of the time.

Case in point, Obama’s repeated argument that McCain wants the war in Iraq to last 100 years. Obama and team have distorted what he said so much so that the Annenberg Political Fact Check, a nonprofit and nonpartisan project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania, stated: “It’s a rank falsehood for the DNC to accuse McCain of wanting to wage ‘endless war’ based on his support for a presence in Iraq something like the U.S. role in South Korea.” That’s not stopping Obama one of whose senior aides was quoted saying its rare you get such a “clean shot”.

Both sides have propaganda machines. It really irks me when you guys act like Republicans are all evil, self-interested fascists and Democrats are all altruistic, thoughtful public servants who have never acted out of bad motives.

Why can’t you deal with a particular issue without the unnecessary and overblown generalizations?

]]> By: Elmer http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/02/the-power-of-the-right-wing-propaganda-machine/#comment-129665 Elmer Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:21:50 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/04/02/the-power-of-the-right-wing-propaganda-machine/#comment-129665 Next I suppose you guys are going to tell me that the Right Wing planted a prostitute in Spitzer's hotel room for the propoganda value of it. Spitzer actually thought she was a New York voter so it was up to him to make her happy with a $5,000 rebate and certian other favors. Next I suppose you guys are going to tell me that the Right Wing planted a prostitute in Spitzer’s hotel room for the propoganda value of it. Spitzer actually thought she was a New York voter so it was up to him to make her happy with a $5,000 rebate and certian other favors.

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