Re guns - the wild west days are over - part of history - as a community flourished rules needed to be put in place to ensure the growth of that community

So liberals want to take your guns - Bull. I’d argue that most liberals want responsible use of firearms - background checks, waiting periods, age appropriate limits - stuff like that. I’m not sure there is a need for Military style weapons in private hands . Still I understand there are collectors and such I personally know quite a few who are more than responsible and have large collections -

But metaphorically speaking I don’t want .50 cal sniper rifles or a machine gun at Walmart

Property rights? You might own the property or pay for it but the government (short for the various levels of the government) actually control via regulation what you can do with that property.

There is an exchange - regulation for services. Services you cannot do independently. The legal services and infrastructure you used to purchase and “own” that property, the infrastructure services you need to access that property, all the way up to the benefits of protection and defense.

So this prevents your neighbor from say burying hazardous waste in their property and contaminating the ground water. I could go on with examples.

Part of being in a community, a society , a country is some level of conformity. This is done via the various regulations,.

Now unlike other places - we vote and elect or leaders - have a nation based on historic laws

Is there something amiss with that?

The mind of a liberal thinks more like this: we want government intervention/action when the circumstances benefit the needs of the populace, even if as an individual I don’t directly benefit. We liberals understand that even if we don’t directly benefit from a government program like education, that there is an indirect benefit to me, that our society is bettered.

Vouchers are funded by taxes - we transfer tax dollars to enable private schools institutions. remember this piece was about sending kids to catholic schools partially funded by the government via vouchers.

A private institution with falling enrollment mind you.

Institutions that can take the those of means (money, knowledge, ability) out of the system. Eventually - maybe not immediately the public system weakens.

We ended up taking our kids out of the Charter Schools and putting them back in Public Schools because the Charter Schools did not match the quality of the public schools (which is not saying much in California).

The point is — vouchers are essentially the same as using taxpayer money to support private schools. As long as the schools are willing to accept the government’s meddling in their affairs that goes along with that, it’s not a bad idea in the sense that it creates competition for the public schools. But from the point of efficiency, it’s a huge waste. Unless schools are crowded, due to growth — which is not happening in Upstate New York — vouchers, and taxpayer-supported vouchers end up undermining public schools.

If parents have a problem with the quality of the public schools they should get off their butts and attend the board meetings and stop crying for a handout.

I think that cuts both ways