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		<title>By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/21/breakingschools-win-lawsuit-againts-unfair-plan/#comment-138792</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blames the schools for taking &#8220;her&#8221; tax money. She blames domestic partners for costing the taxpayers [...]</description>
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		<title>By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/21/breakingschools-win-lawsuit-againts-unfair-plan/#comment-131204</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the ruling against the unFAIR plan? Tonight the Dems introduced legislation asking County Executive Maggie Brooks to come up with a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/21/breakingschools-win-lawsuit-againts-unfair-plan/#comment-127348</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] as though this hurdle (court action) has provided an opportunity for our very divided legislature to reach across party lines and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/21/breakingschools-win-lawsuit-againts-unfair-plan/#comment-126576</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] like Monroe County may have to raise property taxes-ghast! Things didn&#8217;t work out the way you planned, huh Maggie? Now the money for the intercept has to come from the county&#8217;s part of the sales [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] like Monroe County may have to raise property taxes-ghast! Things didn&#8217;t work out the way you planned, huh Maggie? Now the money for the intercept has to come from the county&#8217;s part of the sales [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jazz</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/21/breakingschools-win-lawsuit-againts-unfair-plan/#comment-126384</link>
		<dc:creator>Jazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taxes would be manageable if there were not so many cronies and relatives having cushy jobs at taxpayer expense.  There are way too many administrative positions in government at all levels and in school districts.  Big budget performing arts centers and fountains and college level playing fields have no place in our schools.  Connected people getting these contracts are pure payback for supporting the "machine".  

It has to end!  Instead it keeps growing.  Just like Alissi not getting charged...they are all protecting each others backs.

They have stolen America and are selling it to the highest bidder!  
Be afraid...be very afraid!  But don't hide...ACT!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taxes would be manageable if there were not so many cronies and relatives having cushy jobs at taxpayer expense.  There are way too many administrative positions in government at all levels and in school districts.  Big budget performing arts centers and fountains and college level playing fields have no place in our schools.  Connected people getting these contracts are pure payback for supporting the &#8220;machine&#8221;.  </p>
<p>It has to end!  Instead it keeps growing.  Just like Alissi not getting charged&#8230;they are all protecting each others backs.</p>
<p>They have stolen America and are selling it to the highest bidder!<br />
Be afraid&#8230;be very afraid!  But don&#8217;t hide&#8230;ACT!!!</p>
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		<title>By: jiminybizbo</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/21/breakingschools-win-lawsuit-againts-unfair-plan/#comment-125976</link>
		<dc:creator>jiminybizbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 02:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or perhaps you should start attending the meetings in Greece like I do so you can see it for yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or perhaps you should start attending the meetings in Greece like I do so you can see it for yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: ladkiddo</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/21/breakingschools-win-lawsuit-againts-unfair-plan/#comment-125952</link>
		<dc:creator>ladkiddo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bottom line is, Maggie and her Republican cohorts in the county leg broke the law with the FAIR plan.  Morin/Ryan was the law.  She broke it and should be removed from office. 
Spitzer broke the law-he was out like a shot.  Why is Maggie still here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bottom line is, Maggie and her Republican cohorts in the county leg broke the law with the FAIR plan.  Morin/Ryan was the law.  She broke it and should be removed from office.<br />
Spitzer broke the law-he was out like a shot.  Why is Maggie still here?</p>
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		<title>By: John DiCaro</title>
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		<dc:creator>John DiCaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jiminy:

This post has me worried. The fact that Ralph Esposito runs Greece and Gates is supposed to be one of Steve Minarik's biggest secrets! Do you have a source on the inside?!?

Seriously, you'd better check the cider you're drinking; I think its turned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jiminy:</p>
<p>This post has me worried. The fact that Ralph Esposito runs Greece and Gates is supposed to be one of Steve Minarik&#8217;s biggest secrets! Do you have a source on the inside?!?</p>
<p>Seriously, you&#8217;d better check the cider you&#8217;re drinking; I think its turned.</p>
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		<title>By: jiminybizbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jiminybizbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 22:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jiminybizbo</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/21/breakingschools-win-lawsuit-againts-unfair-plan/#comment-125917</link>
		<dc:creator>jiminybizbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Giving Sales Tax funds to the Schools is like giving crack to an addict. 

I think its time to start holding School officials accountable for the massive amounts of money they spend.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Giving money to the GOP run County Administration is like giving crack to deranged test chimp in a test lab.

I think it's time to start holding Elected Officials accountable for the massive amounts of money they spend - at all levels of elected office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Giving Sales Tax funds to the Schools is like giving crack to an addict. </p>
<p>I think its time to start holding School officials accountable for the massive amounts of money they spend.</p></blockquote>
<p>Giving money to the GOP run County Administration is like giving crack to deranged test chimp in a test lab.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s time to start holding Elected Officials accountable for the massive amounts of money they spend - at all levels of elected office.</p>
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		<title>By: jiminybizbo</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/21/breakingschools-win-lawsuit-againts-unfair-plan/#comment-125914</link>
		<dc:creator>jiminybizbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greece built a $60M television studio because your boss Ralphie and Greece's boss Little John and Lempke and the rest of the GOP West side bosses told them to.  And that will be exposed.  Ralphie's participation in directing school boards and town boards in Greece is well known.  Actually, to his credit, he speaks more as a supervisor in Greece, than Little John does.  But Greece didn't elect Ralphie boy.  It's not his job.  Nor is it the reponsibility of the taxpayers in Greece to build the TV studio for "GOP-TV".

Time will tell how this one plays out and who knew what and who "ultimately" ordered this ill-conceived plan.  

My hope is the the 'crooks' end up in the cell next to Schwabb and Nicolo.

And don't give the "innocent lambs" speech.  Diraddo has already been named as the attorney who incorporated all of their illegal business endeavors.

It's just the tip of a massive iceberg that has someones fingerprints all over it.  Fortunately for the intelligent, those prints are easily identifiable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greece built a $60M television studio because your boss Ralphie and Greece&#8217;s boss Little John and Lempke and the rest of the GOP West side bosses told them to.  And that will be exposed.  Ralphie&#8217;s participation in directing school boards and town boards in Greece is well known.  Actually, to his credit, he speaks more as a supervisor in Greece, than Little John does.  But Greece didn&#8217;t elect Ralphie boy.  It&#8217;s not his job.  Nor is it the reponsibility of the taxpayers in Greece to build the TV studio for &#8220;GOP-TV&#8221;.</p>
<p>Time will tell how this one plays out and who knew what and who &#8220;ultimately&#8221; ordered this ill-conceived plan.  </p>
<p>My hope is the the &#8216;crooks&#8217; end up in the cell next to Schwabb and Nicolo.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t give the &#8220;innocent lambs&#8221; speech.  Diraddo has already been named as the attorney who incorporated all of their illegal business endeavors.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just the tip of a massive iceberg that has someones fingerprints all over it.  Fortunately for the intelligent, those prints are easily identifiable.</p>
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		<title>By: Exile on Ericsson St.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Exile on Ericsson St.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are legitimate debates about how things like schools should be funded.  I agree with you about that. 

But I don't think there's a legitimate defense of a iron-fisted money grab, which is what the FAIR plan was, in effect.  That's my main point here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are legitimate debates about how things like schools should be funded.  I agree with you about that. </p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a legitimate defense of a iron-fisted money grab, which is what the FAIR plan was, in effect.  That&#8217;s my main point here.</p>
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		<title>By: John DiCaro</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/21/breakingschools-win-lawsuit-againts-unfair-plan/#comment-125906</link>
		<dc:creator>John DiCaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stlo7:

Yes. The County has a deficit and it will have to deal with it.

I just do not understand the "holy writ" treatment the sales tax sharing deal gets. It is a voluntary arrangement. The County never had to do it. Most Counties do not. It is probably time to revisit the set-up.

As I noted in my reply to Exile, I do not think my share of County tax revenue should be used to subsidize the choices taxpayers make in other school districts. I still believe that the County executive's plan, properly shifted the burden of dealing with this deficit to the schools, as they have been the government entitys most responsible for spending increases in the past 5-10 years.

The real "elephant in the room" is that we are rapidly approaching the breaking point on taxes in New York. Gov. Paterson was the first person in Albany to use the "c" word (cut) regarding spending in my adult memory.

Many of you at RT have called the FAIR plan a "shell game".  If so, the reversal of the plan is just as much a shell game. No one in any school district or in the County Office building wants to raise taxes. But let's face it; we have to raise taxes or cut spending.

After you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stlo7:</p>
<p>Yes. The County has a deficit and it will have to deal with it.</p>
<p>I just do not understand the &#8220;holy writ&#8221; treatment the sales tax sharing deal gets. It is a voluntary arrangement. The County never had to do it. Most Counties do not. It is probably time to revisit the set-up.</p>
<p>As I noted in my reply to Exile, I do not think my share of County tax revenue should be used to subsidize the choices taxpayers make in other school districts. I still believe that the County executive&#8217;s plan, properly shifted the burden of dealing with this deficit to the schools, as they have been the government entitys most responsible for spending increases in the past 5-10 years.</p>
<p>The real &#8220;elephant in the room&#8221; is that we are rapidly approaching the breaking point on taxes in New York. Gov. Paterson was the first person in Albany to use the &#8220;c&#8221; word (cut) regarding spending in my adult memory.</p>
<p>Many of you at RT have called the FAIR plan a &#8220;shell game&#8221;.  If so, the reversal of the plan is just as much a shell game. No one in any school district or in the County Office building wants to raise taxes. But let&#8217;s face it; we have to raise taxes or cut spending.</p>
<p>After you.</p>
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		<title>By: John DiCaro</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/21/breakingschools-win-lawsuit-againts-unfair-plan/#comment-125903</link>
		<dc:creator>John DiCaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exile:

I have previously expressed my views about school taxes. I have always supported the G-C budget and I am happy about the education my kids get there.

Consider, however, the recent examples of Gates, Greece, and Fairport schools. In the past few years, Gates has done a $65 million renovation, which included college level athletic facillities; Fairport has installed a multi-million dollar artificial turf field; and Greece built a $60 million TV studio. It's fine for taxpayers in those districts to agree to spend their money on such projects. But what if you live in Brighton? You already spend a good dollar on school taxes and now your County Tax bill will have to go up because the County must subsidize those spending choices with your Sales Tax revenue.

I do not understand why that is deemed appropriate. I'd like to keep my County Taxes down. Let me worry about my School Tax bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exile:</p>
<p>I have previously expressed my views about school taxes. I have always supported the G-C budget and I am happy about the education my kids get there.</p>
<p>Consider, however, the recent examples of Gates, Greece, and Fairport schools. In the past few years, Gates has done a $65 million renovation, which included college level athletic facillities; Fairport has installed a multi-million dollar artificial turf field; and Greece built a $60 million TV studio. It&#8217;s fine for taxpayers in those districts to agree to spend their money on such projects. But what if you live in Brighton? You already spend a good dollar on school taxes and now your County Tax bill will have to go up because the County must subsidize those spending choices with your Sales Tax revenue.</p>
<p>I do not understand why that is deemed appropriate. I&#8217;d like to keep my County Taxes down. Let me worry about my School Tax bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Exile on Ericsson St.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Exile on Ericsson St.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand your point about openness and consolidation, but it does seem to me that the issue of school spending does get a lot of scrutiny, though, as it should.  

As for your crack addict comparison, I think it's unfair.  This region has some of the very best high schools schools in the country.  It adds a lot to the quality of living here.  To me, the money is well spent.    

One other thing: I don't see how sending sales tax to the county instead of to the school districts would encourage more accountability overall.  It seems to me that one of the main effects would be to make the county &lt;i&gt;less&lt;/i&gt; accountable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand your point about openness and consolidation, but it does seem to me that the issue of school spending does get a lot of scrutiny, though, as it should.  </p>
<p>As for your crack addict comparison, I think it&#8217;s unfair.  This region has some of the very best high schools schools in the country.  It adds a lot to the quality of living here.  To me, the money is well spent.    </p>
<p>One other thing: I don&#8217;t see how sending sales tax to the county instead of to the school districts would encourage more accountability overall.  It seems to me that one of the main effects would be to make the county <i>less</i> accountable.</p>
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