Comments on: The Water Buoys http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/16/the-water-buoys/ turning the tide upstate Wed, 08 Oct 2008 06:25:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Grievous Angel http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/16/the-water-buoys/#comment-124482 Grievous Angel Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:24:04 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/16/the-water-buoys/#comment-124482 I noticed that in my research I don't see any mention of dredging post-1965 on a quick scan of Google. Do you know of any published reports of this dredging? I noticed that in my research I don’t see any mention of dredging post-1965 on a quick scan of Google. Do you know of any published reports of this dredging?

]]> By: Willa Powell http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/16/the-water-buoys/#comment-124465 Willa Powell Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:37:08 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/16/the-water-buoys/#comment-124465 Great resource, but if you relied on this (including the page you mention and what follows) you would conclude that they ceased all dredging around 1965. The more recent dredging was practically a covert operation. The Canadian government had no input into this, and folks in the upper Great Lakes are seeking "restitution" of sorts. Great resource, but if you relied on this (including the page you mention and what follows) you would conclude that they ceased all dredging around 1965. The more recent dredging was practically a covert operation. The Canadian government had no input into this, and folks in the upper Great Lakes are seeking “restitution” of sorts.

]]> By: Grievous Angel http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/16/the-water-buoys/#comment-124458 Grievous Angel Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:13:44 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/16/the-water-buoys/#comment-124458 I found this great link to get a better understanding of our Great Lakes. Page 14 mentions dredging's history: http://www.lre.usace.army.mil/_kd/Items/actions.cfm?action=Show&item_id=4281&destination=ShowItem I found this great link to get a better understanding of our Great Lakes. Page 14 mentions dredging’s history:

http://www.lre.usace.army.mil/_kd/Items/actions.cfm?action=Show&item_id=4281&destination=ShowItem

]]> By: Grievous Angel http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/16/the-water-buoys/#comment-124456 Grievous Angel Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:06:06 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/16/the-water-buoys/#comment-124456 Thanks. Do you have a link for the dredging by the US Army Corps of Engineers? Thanks. Do you have a link for the dredging by the US Army Corps of Engineers?

]]> By: Willa Powell http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/16/the-water-buoys/#comment-124455 Willa Powell Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:57:23 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/16/the-water-buoys/#comment-124455 The Albany Project <a href="http://www.thealbanyproject.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=2491" title="TAP" rel="nofollow"> blog </a> The Albany Project blog reported on this on March 14, apparently based on a press release from then-Gov-designee Paterson, and here is the comment I posted there: <blockquote>It's great that the Great Lakes states and provinces realize what an asset our geography has bestowed upon us, and is willing to protect it. Gov. Designate Paterson's press release accurately references dropping water levels. What it doesn't say is that the falling water levels in Lakes Michigan, Superior and Huron are the result of the US Army Corps of Engineers' dredging of the Detroit - St. Clair Waterway. The dredging was austensibly to improve deep water vessel access to the western Great Lakes. But they dredged so deeply, that the water flowing downstream increased in pressure and speed. So much so, that the power of the water scoured the dedged channel even deeper and wider, making the water loss even greater. Lake Huron has experienced nearly a two-foot drop in water level over the last several years. Unless the consortium is prepared to reverse the actions of the Corps of Engineers, we are going to continue to lose fresh water, and it isn't going to be the result of "withdrawals" via piracy or selling off. It will be a natural occurance resulting from unnatural interferance. </blockquote> I notice it still hasn't appeared in the D&C. Do you suppose they are philosophically opposed to clean fresh water? The Albany Project blog The Albany Project blog reported on this on March 14, apparently based on a press release from then-Gov-designee Paterson, and here is the comment I posted there:

It’s great that the Great Lakes states and provinces realize what an asset our geography has bestowed upon us, and is willing to protect it.
Gov. Designate Paterson’s press release accurately references dropping water levels. What it doesn’t say is that the falling water levels in Lakes Michigan, Superior and Huron are the result of the US Army Corps of Engineers’ dredging of the Detroit - St. Clair Waterway. The dredging was austensibly to improve deep water vessel access to the western Great Lakes. But they dredged so deeply, that the water flowing downstream increased in pressure and speed. So much so, that the power of the water scoured the dedged channel even deeper and wider, making the water loss even greater.

Lake Huron has experienced nearly a two-foot drop in water level over the last several years. Unless the consortium is prepared to reverse the actions of the Corps of Engineers, we are going to continue to lose fresh water, and it isn’t going to be the result of “withdrawals” via piracy or selling off. It will be a natural occurance resulting from unnatural interferance.

I notice it still hasn’t appeared in the D&C. Do you suppose they are philosophically opposed to clean fresh water?

]]> By: Grievous Angel http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/16/the-water-buoys/#comment-124238 Grievous Angel Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:49:10 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/16/the-water-buoys/#comment-124238 "...turn your back on your soulless days..." (Thanks, sconset) “…turn your back
on your soulless days…”

(Thanks, sconset)

]]> By: sconsetmonkey http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/16/the-water-buoys/#comment-124231 sconsetmonkey Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:27:47 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/16/the-water-buoys/#comment-124231 ...You've got a war in your head And it's tearing you up inside... http://youtube.com/watch?v=gTTKcrbQog8 …You’ve got a war in your head
And it’s tearing you up inside…

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gTTKcrbQog8

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