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	<title>Comments on: Spencerport Hate Crime: This is Why We Fight</title>
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		<title>By: jiminybizbo</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/15/spencerport-hate-crime-this-is-why-we-fight/#comment-124178</link>
		<dc:creator>jiminybizbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A hate crime intimidates the individual by making them feel that the act of violence was solely perpetuated because of their race, ethnicity, national origin, religious, sexual orientation, or disability. 

So in simple english Elmer, they didn't try to rob you to get your wallet, they singled you out and attacked you because of one of the above.

It's not a matter of being at the wrong place at the wrong time, it's a matter of BEING the wrong PERSON in the eyes of your attacker, and nothing more.  I personally think age should be on that list, as children and the elderly are often attacked due to the vulnerability of their age.  But then again, I suppose the list could go on forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A hate crime intimidates the individual by making them feel that the act of violence was solely perpetuated because of their race, ethnicity, national origin, religious, sexual orientation, or disability. </p>
<p>So in simple english Elmer, they didn&#8217;t try to rob you to get your wallet, they singled you out and attacked you because of one of the above.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a matter of being at the wrong place at the wrong time, it&#8217;s a matter of BEING the wrong PERSON in the eyes of your attacker, and nothing more.  I personally think age should be on that list, as children and the elderly are often attacked due to the vulnerability of their age.  But then again, I suppose the list could go on forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Elmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 13:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I am starting to understand. An act of violence toward an individual is a single event. A hate crime not only hurts the individual but, in theory, intimidates people like the victim?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I am starting to understand. An act of violence toward an individual is a single event. A hate crime not only hurts the individual but, in theory, intimidates people like the victim?</p>
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		<title>By: stlo7</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/15/spencerport-hate-crime-this-is-why-we-fight/#comment-124116</link>
		<dc:creator>stlo7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elmer,- 

&lt;a href="http://www.usdoj.gov/crs/pubs/htecrm.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;from the DOJ&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Hate crime is the violence of intolerance and bigotry, intended to hurt and intimidate someone because of their race, ethnicity, national origin, religious, sexual orientation, or disability. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

So crimes such as this go against a group of people as opposed to the individual.  

Ultimately there is a difference between "prosecuted as a hate crime" and "convicted as a hate crime" - the legal system will determine if this crime occurred because of the sexual orientation of the victims and they will be punished accordingly.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elmer,- </p>
<p><a href="http://www.usdoj.gov/crs/pubs/htecrm.htm" rel="nofollow">from the DOJ</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Hate crime is the violence of intolerance and bigotry, intended to hurt and intimidate someone because of their race, ethnicity, national origin, religious, sexual orientation, or disability. </p></blockquote>
<p>So crimes such as this go against a group of people as opposed to the individual.  </p>
<p>Ultimately there is a difference between &#8220;prosecuted as a hate crime&#8221; and &#8220;convicted as a hate crime&#8221; - the legal system will determine if this crime occurred because of the sexual orientation of the victims and they will be punished accordingly.</p>
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		<title>By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate</title>
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		<dc:creator>rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 00:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] need to continue to fight the good fight, and since knowledge is power, let&#8217;s find out what we&#8217;re fighting for.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚  Let&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] need to continue to fight the good fight, and since knowledge is power, let&#8217;s find out what we&#8217;re fighting for.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚  Let&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ********</title>
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		<dc:creator>********</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 22:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope they find this guy and he get's the maximin sentence!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope they find this guy and he get&#8217;s the maximin sentence!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: ElmerJK</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/15/spencerport-hate-crime-this-is-why-we-fight/#comment-124006</link>
		<dc:creator>ElmerJK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole hate crime thing bothers me - I hope Lance turns out fine and I hope the county workers get partner benefits. The people who beat Lance should have the book thrown at them and they should be sent away for a long time because of the violence inflicted. 

But.....I think you are assuming that the perpetrators are heterosexual. So, if they beat me the same way they beat Lance they should get off with a lighter punishment?

I can start to buy into your arguments but something holds me back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole hate crime thing bothers me - I hope Lance turns out fine and I hope the county workers get partner benefits. The people who beat Lance should have the book thrown at them and they should be sent away for a long time because of the violence inflicted. </p>
<p>But&#8230;..I think you are assuming that the perpetrators are heterosexual. So, if they beat me the same way they beat Lance they should get off with a lighter punishment?</p>
<p>I can start to buy into your arguments but something holds me back.</p>
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		<title>By: jiminybizbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jiminybizbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crime is different than HATE crimes.  whtwtrdood's crime I'm certain wasn't because someone was gay.  And I'm certain the fight at the school was yet even more frustration caused because kids have no where to go - especially in Greece where you now have to be 19 to go to the mall, or go with your parent.

Hate crimes are of a different variety, and of a breed being expoused currently by the county.

Hate crimes are of a different breed, as being expoused against people of color and people of economy by our county government.

Hate crimes are illegal.  To doctor them up under the guise of an "appeal" or under the reasoning of "controlling threats" still makes them hate crimes.

It goes something like this Maggie:  With liberty and JUSTICE (and equal benefits, and public access) TO ALL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crime is different than HATE crimes.  whtwtrdood&#8217;s crime I&#8217;m certain wasn&#8217;t because someone was gay.  And I&#8217;m certain the fight at the school was yet even more frustration caused because kids have no where to go - especially in Greece where you now have to be 19 to go to the mall, or go with your parent.</p>
<p>Hate crimes are of a different variety, and of a breed being expoused currently by the county.</p>
<p>Hate crimes are of a different breed, as being expoused against people of color and people of economy by our county government.</p>
<p>Hate crimes are illegal.  To doctor them up under the guise of an &#8220;appeal&#8221; or under the reasoning of &#8220;controlling threats&#8221; still makes them hate crimes.</p>
<p>It goes something like this Maggie:  With liberty and JUSTICE (and equal benefits, and public access) TO ALL.</p>
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		<title>By: realgreecer</title>
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		<dc:creator>realgreecer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the west side suburbs are starting to have urban issues. I observed on the SCAT's blog a discussion of  fighting (supposedly gang related) at Greece Olympia HS.  We need to begin a progressive discussion on how to deal with these emerging issues or they will just be used to inflame the same old hatreds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the west side suburbs are starting to have urban issues. I observed on the SCAT&#8217;s blog a discussion of  fighting (supposedly gang related) at Greece Olympia HS.  We need to begin a progressive discussion on how to deal with these emerging issues or they will just be used to inflame the same old hatreds.</p>
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		<title>By: whtwtrdood</title>
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		<dc:creator>whtwtrdood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about not at all?  Should we blame her for Don and Rashad Peterkin's crime spree of Easter 2006 too?  

Bad people do bad things and it's pretty obvious they don't concern themselves very much with what elected officials' policy positions are before they commit horrific crimes of this nature.  New York has hate crime legislation on the books now.  It didn't make any difference for Lance Neve, just as it didn't make any difference for me.

My family was victim of a hate crime within the past month.  The suspects were arrested, charged, and are awaiting trial.  I've seen the arresting officer's deposition and the person whose idea this was in the first stated; "I'm not sorry and if given the chance, I will do it again."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about not at all?  Should we blame her for Don and Rashad Peterkin&#8217;s crime spree of Easter 2006 too?  </p>
<p>Bad people do bad things and it&#8217;s pretty obvious they don&#8217;t concern themselves very much with what elected officials&#8217; policy positions are before they commit horrific crimes of this nature.  New York has hate crime legislation on the books now.  It didn&#8217;t make any difference for Lance Neve, just as it didn&#8217;t make any difference for me.</p>
<p>My family was victim of a hate crime within the past month.  The suspects were arrested, charged, and are awaiting trial.  I&#8217;ve seen the arresting officer&#8217;s deposition and the person whose idea this was in the first stated; &#8220;I&#8217;m not sorry and if given the chance, I will do it again.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: +++</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maggie Brooks has set the tone for this type of behavior.   It is the policy of Monroe County that gay people are not to be treated equally.  It is perfectly acceptable to treat them as second class citizens, so why not just beat the crap out of them in a bar?

Another quality individual setting the tone for civil behavior in Spencerport is the village's very own county legislator Dick Yolevich himself.  The one person in the legislature that finds even the abstract symbols of people tolerating each other despite their differences repugnant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maggie Brooks has set the tone for this type of behavior.   It is the policy of Monroe County that gay people are not to be treated equally.  It is perfectly acceptable to treat them as second class citizens, so why not just beat the crap out of them in a bar?</p>
<p>Another quality individual setting the tone for civil behavior in Spencerport is the village&#8217;s very own county legislator Dick Yolevich himself.  The one person in the legislature that finds even the abstract symbols of people tolerating each other despite their differences repugnant.</p>
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