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	<description>turning the tide upstate</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Hep</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/04/a-blogversation/#comment-120883</link>
		<dc:creator>Hep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn't agree more about the D&#38;C Freeper Chat.  I wish we could mount a counter offensive, but at the same time it is probably a waste of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more about the D&amp;C Freeper Chat.  I wish we could mount a counter offensive, but at the same time it is probably a waste of time.</p>
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		<title>By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/04/a-blogversation/#comment-120842</link>
		<dc:creator>rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I posted a response to a question from Channel 13&#8217;s Evan Dawson about whether or not bloggers are journalists.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I posted a response to a question from Channel 13&#8217;s Evan Dawson about whether or not bloggers are journalists.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: itchy</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/04/a-blogversation/#comment-120820</link>
		<dc:creator>itchy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gutter isn't a strong enough word.

There's obviously a fine line between free speech and hate speech, in my mind the D&#38;C crosses that line when they allow comments about "ghetto trash" to stand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gutter isn&#8217;t a strong enough word.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s obviously a fine line between free speech and hate speech, in my mind the D&amp;C crosses that line when they allow comments about &#8220;ghetto trash&#8221; to stand.</p>
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		<title>By: itchy</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/04/a-blogversation/#comment-120819</link>
		<dc:creator>itchy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exile, I actually think they're learning pretty quickly for a very traditional corporation. The D&#38;C is moving to incorporate more blogging and social networking into their web site.  So I see them moving towards a couple of different tiers of news - reader blogs / chats, D&#38;C sponsored blogs, and the "vetted", editor-approved official news.

I still get the feeling that most of the older newsies ignore blogs as a matter of principle, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exile, I actually think they&#8217;re learning pretty quickly for a very traditional corporation. The D&amp;C is moving to incorporate more blogging and social networking into their web site.  So I see them moving towards a couple of different tiers of news - reader blogs / chats, D&amp;C sponsored blogs, and the &#8220;vetted&#8221;, editor-approved official news.</p>
<p>I still get the feeling that most of the older newsies ignore blogs as a matter of principle, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Rottenchester</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/04/a-blogversation/#comment-120790</link>
		<dc:creator>Rottenchester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've never even looked at the Channel 10 forums, but it's key for MSM to build community on their websites, so I'll bet that they re-tool and try again.

The D&#38;C just changed forum providers.  They had outsourced their forumns to Topix, a company that monitors forums for overt violations of terms of service, but doesn't do much to build community.  Now they're running the forums themselves using a tool called Pluck.   

The key dynamic is whether reporters will comment on the new forums, and I've seen one do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never even looked at the Channel 10 forums, but it&#8217;s key for MSM to build community on their websites, so I&#8217;ll bet that they re-tool and try again.</p>
<p>The D&amp;C just changed forum providers.  They had outsourced their forumns to Topix, a company that monitors forums for overt violations of terms of service, but doesn&#8217;t do much to build community.  Now they&#8217;re running the forums themselves using a tool called Pluck.   </p>
<p>The key dynamic is whether reporters will comment on the new forums, and I&#8217;ve seen one do so.</p>
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		<title>By: jiminybizbo</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/04/a-blogversation/#comment-120745</link>
		<dc:creator>jiminybizbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 09:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kwe friend!  Niawen for your kind words!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kwe friend!  Niawen for your kind words!</p>
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		<title>By: Proud Liberal</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/04/a-blogversation/#comment-120658</link>
		<dc:creator>Proud Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 02:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a well-deserved 'Kudos' to RT for providing a much appreciated soapbox for those of us on the fringes of society.

I'm a 53-year old Status Mohawk of the Six Nations of the Grand River (Canada), a dual-citizen (CDN/U.S.) living in the Rochester area (315er) and committed Green Party member in both Canada and the States.

There aren't many of my demographic around here and RT has listened where others have merely snickered.  Nia:wen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a well-deserved &#8216;Kudos&#8217; to RT for providing a much appreciated soapbox for those of us on the fringes of society.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a 53-year old Status Mohawk of the Six Nations of the Grand River (Canada), a dual-citizen (CDN/U.S.) living in the Rochester area (315er) and committed Green Party member in both Canada and the States.</p>
<p>There aren&#8217;t many of my demographic around here and RT has listened where others have merely snickered.  Nia:wen!</p>
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		<title>By: louis</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/04/a-blogversation/#comment-120643</link>
		<dc:creator>louis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 01:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Paige nailed it above - blogs can carry truthful, accurate information.  Bloggers aren't sucking up to politicians, developing relationships that prevent critical analysis of reporting.  One of the biggest examples that comes to my mind is the reporters "embedded" in Iraq.  When there are preconditions on what can and can't be reported, you can't trust any of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Paige nailed it above - blogs can carry truthful, accurate information.  Bloggers aren&#8217;t sucking up to politicians, developing relationships that prevent critical analysis of reporting.  One of the biggest examples that comes to my mind is the reporters &#8220;embedded&#8221; in Iraq.  When there are preconditions on what can and can&#8217;t be reported, you can&#8217;t trust any of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Grievous Angel</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/04/a-blogversation/#comment-120595</link>
		<dc:creator>Grievous Angel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking specifically of Woodward and Bernstein.  I think some of the hesitance we see in traditional media is about the almighty dollar.  They are businesses who have to feed the bottom line.  

Blogs are free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking specifically of Woodward and Bernstein.  I think some of the hesitance we see in traditional media is about the almighty dollar.  They are businesses who have to feed the bottom line.  </p>
<p>Blogs are free.</p>
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		<title>By: jiminybizbo</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/04/a-blogversation/#comment-120575</link>
		<dc:creator>jiminybizbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The D&#38;C has also allowed itself through it's "Story Chat" entries to become the worst gutter level example of hatred I have ever witnessed in my life.  For them to allow the posting of some of the comments has forced me to boycott the D&#38;C forums and story chat areas.  They need to do something...

...speaking of which on WHEC-TV 10 this morning, they announced that they have SHUT DOWN their forums as a result of the hatred that was displayed by participants, and that they could no longer allow it to continue.

Kudos to Channel 10 for having the courage to shut down and non-facilitate the racism, discrimination, hatred and down right criminal conduct that was being displayed in their forums.

Too bad (as usual) the D&#38;C is always late for the bus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The D&amp;C has also allowed itself through it&#8217;s &#8220;Story Chat&#8221; entries to become the worst gutter level example of hatred I have ever witnessed in my life.  For them to allow the posting of some of the comments has forced me to boycott the D&amp;C forums and story chat areas.  They need to do something&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;speaking of which on WHEC-TV 10 this morning, they announced that they have SHUT DOWN their forums as a result of the hatred that was displayed by participants, and that they could no longer allow it to continue.</p>
<p>Kudos to Channel 10 for having the courage to shut down and non-facilitate the racism, discrimination, hatred and down right criminal conduct that was being displayed in their forums.</p>
<p>Too bad (as usual) the D&amp;C is always late for the bus.</p>
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		<title>By: Exile on Ericsson St.</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/04/a-blogversation/#comment-120562</link>
		<dc:creator>Exile on Ericsson St.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the D&#038;C has allowed itself to bullied by local Republicans at the editorial level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the D&#038;C has allowed itself to bullied by local Republicans at the editorial level.</p>
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		<title>By: Paige</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/04/a-blogversation/#comment-120555</link>
		<dc:creator>Paige</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Bloggers arenÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t afraid to say what the facts are, are not afraid of offending the politicians&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Right on, GA! Seems to me that there was a time in our country when journalists weren't afraid of saying what the facts and they they didn't care who they offended. Remember the Watergate stories by Woodward and Bernstein? Remember the Pentagon Papers? Remember when the good old D&#38;C used to regularly endorse most Democrats and the Rethuglicans eventually boycotted the whole process? Seems like we have moved far away from that. Now, we see the NY Times and others providing cover for lying about a war, we see the NY Times for holding onto stories out of fear that they will affect an election, and the D&#38;C editorial board goes out of their way to achieve "faux balance".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Bloggers arenÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t afraid to say what the facts are, are not afraid of offending the politicians</p></blockquote>
<p>Right on, GA! Seems to me that there was a time in our country when journalists weren&#8217;t afraid of saying what the facts and they they didn&#8217;t care who they offended. Remember the Watergate stories by Woodward and Bernstein? Remember the Pentagon Papers? Remember when the good old D&amp;C used to regularly endorse most Democrats and the Rethuglicans eventually boycotted the whole process? Seems like we have moved far away from that. Now, we see the NY Times and others providing cover for lying about a war, we see the NY Times for holding onto stories out of fear that they will affect an election, and the D&amp;C editorial board goes out of their way to achieve &#8220;faux balance&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Exile on Ericsson St.</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/04/a-blogversation/#comment-120532</link>
		<dc:creator>Exile on Ericsson St.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's an interesting idea. I'll talk to Evan about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an interesting idea. I&#8217;ll talk to Evan about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Exile on Ericsson St.</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/04/a-blogversation/#comment-120531</link>
		<dc:creator>Exile on Ericsson St.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the things that we do at RT aren't things a newspaper could do.  I think that probably newspapers should move in the direction of blogs but only go a quarter of the way or so.  They could use more informality and transparency but they probably need to have stricter standards of what they run than we do.  

It would be great if the mainstream media could learn from blogs the same way that we learn from them.

I see that at with younger reporters but not so much with the older more established ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the things that we do at RT aren&#8217;t things a newspaper could do.  I think that probably newspapers should move in the direction of blogs but only go a quarter of the way or so.  They could use more informality and transparency but they probably need to have stricter standards of what they run than we do.  </p>
<p>It would be great if the mainstream media could learn from blogs the same way that we learn from them.</p>
<p>I see that at with younger reporters but not so much with the older more established ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Grievous Angel</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/03/04/a-blogversation/#comment-120524</link>
		<dc:creator>Grievous Angel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of the standard media (all of them?) have an institutional view that sometimes hampers good reporting, in my opinion.  Bloggers aren't afraid to say what the facts are, are not afraid of offending the politicians, etc., so you get more honesty, in my opinion.

Blogs are also faster in terms of data transmission because they don't have an editor who must pre-approve the story.  Blogs are just free that way.

What Exile said about putting in the caveat if a story is not rock solid is an example of that type of freedom that readers crave.  I don't think blog readers mind that type of caveat as long as it's spelled out in the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of the standard media (all of them?) have an institutional view that sometimes hampers good reporting, in my opinion.  Bloggers aren&#8217;t afraid to say what the facts are, are not afraid of offending the politicians, etc., so you get more honesty, in my opinion.</p>
<p>Blogs are also faster in terms of data transmission because they don&#8217;t have an editor who must pre-approve the story.  Blogs are just free that way.</p>
<p>What Exile said about putting in the caveat if a story is not rock solid is an example of that type of freedom that readers crave.  I don&#8217;t think blog readers mind that type of caveat as long as it&#8217;s spelled out in the post.</p>
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