Comments on: Racism, sexism, and all that good stuff http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/25/racism-sexism-and-all-that-good-stuff/ turning the tide upstate Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:53:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/25/racism-sexism-and-all-that-good-stuff/#comment-151552 rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate Wed, 18 Jun 2008 20:06:09 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/25/racism-sexism-and-all-that-good-stuff/#comment-151552 [...] the question we’ve been asking, about the GOP’s reliance on racism to win elections by demonizing minorities and anyone “different”.  Welcome to the party, Petrena! Stay a [...] [...] the question we’ve been asking, about the GOP’s reliance on racism to win elections by demonizing minorities and anyone “different”.  Welcome to the party, Petrena! Stay a [...]

]]> By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/25/racism-sexism-and-all-that-good-stuff/#comment-118757 rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate Thu, 28 Feb 2008 00:09:02 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/25/racism-sexism-and-all-that-good-stuff/#comment-118757 [...] As I predicted, the D&C blogs are picking up the Obama middle name smear. [...] [...] As I predicted, the D&C blogs are picking up the Obama middle name smear. [...]

]]> By: Exile on Ericsson St. http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/25/racism-sexism-and-all-that-good-stuff/#comment-118051 Exile on Ericsson St. Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:36:43 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/25/racism-sexism-and-all-that-good-stuff/#comment-118051 Okay, TPM picked it up too. Bad, bad stuff. Okay, TPM picked it up too. Bad, bad stuff.

]]> By: itchy http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/25/racism-sexism-and-all-that-good-stuff/#comment-118049 itchy Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:32:40 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/25/racism-sexism-and-all-that-good-stuff/#comment-118049 Just read this after my previous comment... Just read this after my previous comment…

]]> By: itchy http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/25/racism-sexism-and-all-that-good-stuff/#comment-118048 itchy Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:32:03 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/25/racism-sexism-and-all-that-good-stuff/#comment-118048 I flipped when I saw it. He was in her bubble. I'm surprised her SS agents didn't wig out. I flipped when I saw it. He was in her bubble. I’m surprised her SS agents didn’t wig out.

]]> By: stlo7 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/25/racism-sexism-and-all-that-good-stuff/#comment-118027 stlo7 Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:24:08 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/25/racism-sexism-and-all-that-good-stuff/#comment-118027 So which employers is she protecting? Anyone want to look up Rochester's top ten employers and see where they are on this issue? So which employers is she protecting?

Anyone want to look up Rochester’s top ten employers and see where they are on this issue?

]]> By: stlo7 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/25/racism-sexism-and-all-that-good-stuff/#comment-118025 stlo7 Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:22:46 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/25/racism-sexism-and-all-that-good-stuff/#comment-118025 So, if we knowingly invade someone's space to get a reaction - what does that make the person who is invading someone's space? I call it rude, calculating, and probably other things that I can't think of at the moment. Oh - I would imagine the reaction depends on the person rather than the gender. (the invader of space all you arcade fans - is not called space invader :-) ) So, if we knowingly invade someone’s space to get a reaction - what does that make the person who is invading someone’s space? I call it rude, calculating, and probably other things that I can’t think of at the moment.

Oh - I would imagine the reaction depends on the person rather than the gender.

(the invader of space all you arcade fans - is not called space invader :-) )

]]> By: Elmer http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/25/racism-sexism-and-all-that-good-stuff/#comment-118011 Elmer Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:49:53 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/25/racism-sexism-and-all-that-good-stuff/#comment-118011 I understand what you are saying, but I don't think the reaction would have been the same if it were a male candidate that Lazio got near I understand what you are saying, but I don’t think the reaction would have been the same if it were a male candidate that Lazio got near

]]> By: stlo7 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/25/racism-sexism-and-all-that-good-stuff/#comment-118002 stlo7 Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:19:35 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/25/racism-sexism-and-all-that-good-stuff/#comment-118002 Elmer - Why are shopping aisles so wide? To give people space so they can linger and purchase. Try an experiment at a store near you. Find a women browsing and go near her. As she senses your presence she will move. This is well documented in Paco Underwood's book Why we buy. People like their space and they don't want it invaded. For what ever reason. Lazio practiced the politics of Ambush on the stage that night and it didn't' work. Elmer - Why are shopping aisles so wide? To give people space so they can linger and purchase.

Try an experiment at a store near you. Find a women browsing and go near her. As she senses your presence she will move. This is well documented in Paco Underwood’s book Why we buy.

People like their space and they don’t want it invaded. For what ever reason.

Lazio practiced the politics of Ambush on the stage that night and it didn’t’ work.

]]> By: Exile on Ericsson St. http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/25/racism-sexism-and-all-that-good-stuff/#comment-118000 Exile on Ericsson St. Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:15:24 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/25/racism-sexism-and-all-that-good-stuff/#comment-118000 I should also add that I think that women watching the debate had a reaction to it without input from Hillary's staff. I watched the debate with my parents and my mom flipped as soon as she saw this. I should also add that I think that women watching the debate had a reaction to it without input from Hillary’s staff. I watched the debate with my parents and my mom flipped as soon as she saw this.

]]> By: Exile on Ericsson St. http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/25/racism-sexism-and-all-that-good-stuff/#comment-117999 Exile on Ericsson St. Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:14:28 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/25/racism-sexism-and-all-that-good-stuff/#comment-117999 That's a classic example of how certain kinds of attacks can backfire. Here's an interesting angle on that: Lazio hadn't told the secret service he was going to do this. When someone unexpectedly approaches a member of the first family that way, the secret service pulls their guns. There were guns trained on Lazio for a few seconds there. All of that said, Lazio was going to lose this race anyway. That’s a classic example of how certain kinds of attacks can backfire.

Here’s an interesting angle on that: Lazio hadn’t told the secret service he was going to do this. When someone unexpectedly approaches a member of the first family that way, the secret service pulls their guns. There were guns trained on Lazio for a few seconds there.

All of that said, Lazio was going to lose this race anyway.

]]> By: Grievous Angel http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/25/racism-sexism-and-all-that-good-stuff/#comment-117998 Grievous Angel Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:13:58 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/25/racism-sexism-and-all-that-good-stuff/#comment-117998 I watched that debate live and I think Lazio just came off as an a** and that is why it backfired, not because Hillary was a female. She didn't cower when he did it and she can't help that Mandy Grunwald or whoever it was that said that "menacing" comment said it. Hillary is no shrinking wallflower but she does have to watch the gender games she allows to go on within her staff. One thing Exile: have you thought that maybe the Clinton camp's insistence that Barack has gotten a media lovefest treatment is behind some of this negative press for him? I watched that debate live and I think Lazio just came off as an a** and that is why it backfired, not because Hillary was a female. She didn’t cower when he did it and she can’t help that Mandy Grunwald or whoever it was that said that “menacing” comment said it. Hillary is no shrinking wallflower but she does have to watch the gender games she allows to go on within her staff.

One thing Exile: have you thought that maybe the Clinton camp’s insistence that Barack has gotten a media lovefest treatment is behind some of this negative press for him?

]]> By: Elmer http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/25/racism-sexism-and-all-that-good-stuff/#comment-117996 Elmer Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:07:41 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/25/racism-sexism-and-all-that-good-stuff/#comment-117996 There are reasons why Republicans need to see what their limits are, at least with dealing with females: Tim Russert: MR. RUSSERT: "We had the event in New Hampshire, the so-called emotional event. When I did the debate with Rick Lazio, with you in Buffalo in 2000, Mr. Lazio walked over to your podium and asked you to sign a document that banned soft money, and people said that he had violated your space. One of your campaign advisers said he was menacing." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22634967/page/2/ Don't want to be accused of menacing - Hillary (or her staff) turned a small issue into a sexual one when Lazio simply walked near her There are reasons why Republicans need to see what their limits are, at least with dealing with females:

Tim Russert:
MR. RUSSERT: “We had the event in New Hampshire, the so-called emotional event. When I did the debate with Rick Lazio, with you in Buffalo in 2000, Mr. Lazio walked over to your podium and asked you to sign a document that banned soft money, and people said that he had violated your space. One of your campaign advisers said he was menacing.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22634967/page/2/

Don’t want to be accused of menacing - Hillary (or her staff) turned a small issue into a sexual one when Lazio simply walked near her

]]> By: Exile on Ericsson St. http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/25/racism-sexism-and-all-that-good-stuff/#comment-117992 Exile on Ericsson St. Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:33:18 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/25/racism-sexism-and-all-that-good-stuff/#comment-117992 That's from the Drudge Report, so I wouldn't put too much stock in it. That’s from the Drudge Report, so I wouldn’t put too much stock in it.

]]> By: whtwtrdood http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/25/racism-sexism-and-all-that-good-stuff/#comment-117991 whtwtrdood Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:30:30 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/25/racism-sexism-and-all-that-good-stuff/#comment-117991 You mean stuff like this? http://www.drudgereport.com/flashoa.htm I can't imagine what her staff is hoping for by pushing this. He's in Kenya, not Alabama, so what's your point exactly? Sure looks like disarray and desperation to me. You mean stuff like this?

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashoa.htm

I can’t imagine what her staff is hoping for by pushing this. He’s in Kenya, not Alabama, so what’s your point exactly? Sure looks like disarray and desperation to me.

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