Comments on: Maggie’s latest ploy - wasting taxpayer money http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/23/maggies-latest-ploy/ turning the tide upstate Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:34:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/23/maggies-latest-ploy/#comment-209307 rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:24:29 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/23/maggies-latest-ploy/#comment-209307 [...] that matter). Here are but a few highlights.  Announcing Maggie appealing a court decision with tremendous debate in the comments section on the definition of marriage.   Writing about Governor Paterson wasting [...] [...] that matter). Here are but a few highlights.  Announcing Maggie appealing a court decision with tremendous debate in the comments section on the definition of marriage.   Writing about Governor Paterson wasting [...]

]]> By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/23/maggies-latest-ploy/#comment-123461 rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:57:28 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/23/maggies-latest-ploy/#comment-123461 [...] the public forum listening to, who else? The public. The big issue on many people’s minds is Domestic Partner benefits. We’ve reported on this ongoing saga several times here, here and here to list a few. The [...] [...] the public forum listening to, who else? The public. The big issue on many people’s minds is Domestic Partner benefits. We’ve reported on this ongoing saga several times here, here and here to list a few. The [...]

]]> By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/23/maggies-latest-ploy/#comment-120994 rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:45:47 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/23/maggies-latest-ploy/#comment-120994 [...] a terrific opinion piece in the Brighton-Pittsford Post about Maggie’s new anti-gay initiative: It’s been said so many times that the message is beginning to sound like a broken record: If the [...] [...] a terrific opinion piece in the Brighton-Pittsford Post about Maggie’s new anti-gay initiative: It’s been said so many times that the message is beginning to sound like a broken record: If the [...]

]]> By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/23/maggies-latest-ploy/#comment-118952 rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:52:39 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/23/maggies-latest-ploy/#comment-118952 [...] Executive Maggie Brooks is running around like the sky is falling over porn in the library and domestic partner benefits, distracting voters away from the real issues. It’s The Grand [...] [...] Executive Maggie Brooks is running around like the sky is falling over porn in the library and domestic partner benefits, distracting voters away from the real issues. It’s The Grand [...]

]]> By: Back Tees http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/23/maggies-latest-ploy/#comment-118148 Back Tees Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:10:43 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/23/maggies-latest-ploy/#comment-118148 Great stuff people. What bothers me is Brooks' suggestion of a financial consideration in the discussion. That being said, wouldn't slavery still be alive today if we were to judge our laws on financial grounds? There were plenty of financial gains in slavery. Brooks speaks what she speaks, as a financial controler she may be good. However, with regards to a person that has influence towards a society movement Brooks does not embrace equal rights. I am not suggesting that Brooks supports slavery, rather I am suggesting that Brooks speaks a hard line toward her party's beliefs. In short, decisions based solely on financial considerations do not solve social issues. Ronald Reagan and the republican party were unwavering in their efforts to ignore the AIDS epidemic despite evidence to the contrary. So, the decisions of the republican party towards gay marriage do not surprise me (that's right gay marriage, it is what it is). Ultimately the effect on every person around this globe would be nothing if gay marriage would be the norm. What I mean is; we would all wake up, go to work, collect a paycheck and support our economy. Sure there are plenty of gaps in my statement that people can fulfill with their support or garbage; but long story short, that is it people. Gay marriage ultimately would not effect you in the least. The worst thing that could come from gay marriage is that we have a better place to live, and isn't that what America is about? Great stuff people. What bothers me is Brooks’ suggestion of a financial consideration in the discussion. That being said, wouldn’t slavery still be alive today if we were to judge our laws on financial grounds? There were plenty of financial gains in slavery. Brooks speaks what she speaks, as a financial controler she may be good. However, with regards to a person that has influence towards a society movement Brooks does not embrace equal rights.

I am not suggesting that Brooks supports slavery, rather I am suggesting that Brooks speaks a hard line toward her party’s beliefs. In short, decisions based solely on financial considerations do not solve social issues. Ronald Reagan and the republican party were unwavering in their efforts to ignore the AIDS epidemic despite evidence to the contrary. So, the decisions of the republican party towards gay marriage do not surprise me (that’s right gay marriage, it is what it is). Ultimately the effect on every person around this globe would be nothing if gay marriage would be the norm. What I mean is; we would all wake up, go to work, collect a paycheck and support our economy. Sure there are plenty of gaps in my statement that people can fulfill with their support or garbage; but long story short, that is it people. Gay marriage ultimately would not effect you in the least.

The worst thing that could come from gay marriage is that we have a better place to live, and isn’t that what America is about?

]]> By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/23/maggies-latest-ploy/#comment-117985 rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:19:40 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/23/maggies-latest-ploy/#comment-117985 [...] documented the ways in which the Monroe County GOP uses racism, homophobia, and xenophobia as political tools. The Politico is reporting that the national GOP fears it will [...] [...] documented the ways in which the Monroe County GOP uses racism, homophobia, and xenophobia as political tools. The Politico is reporting that the national GOP fears it will [...]

]]> By: Exile on Ericsson St. http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/23/maggies-latest-ploy/#comment-117842 Exile on Ericsson St. Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:22:47 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/23/maggies-latest-ploy/#comment-117842 <i> You are welcome and thank you too. It is interesting for me to partake in your blog. Obviously I feel outnumbered but you all have been very considerate. </i> It's kind of you to say that. I'd like to think that at least <i>most</i> of us were considerate. Thanks, as always, for coming by. You are welcome and thank you too. It is interesting for me to partake in your blog. Obviously I feel outnumbered but you all have been very considerate.

It’s kind of you to say that. I’d like to think that at least most of us were considerate.

Thanks, as always, for coming by.

]]> By: Elmer http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/23/maggies-latest-ploy/#comment-117837 Elmer Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:18:14 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/23/maggies-latest-ploy/#comment-117837 You are welcome and thank you too. It is interesting for me to partake in your blog. Obviously I feel outnumbered but you all have been very considerate. You are welcome and thank you too. It is interesting for me to partake in your blog. Obviously I feel outnumbered but you all have been very considerate.

]]> By: stlo7 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/23/maggies-latest-ploy/#comment-117835 stlo7 Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:00:36 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/23/maggies-latest-ploy/#comment-117835 But Elmer I didn't ask them I asked you and after much delay finally provided an answer. Thanks So Marriage is about procreation and educating kids by both sexes. Single parents (limited contact with the opposite sex) must not rest well with you. Re procreation component - Frankly I don't think it matters but we can disagree. RE the candidates Why are they opposed to gay marriage? well <a href=http://pewforum.org/religion08/compare.php?Issue=Gay_Marriage rel="nofollow">at least Barak is </a> <blockquote>open to the possibility that my unwillingness to support gay marriage is misguided ... I may have been infected with society's prejudices and predilections and attributed them to God.</blockquote> So his Civil Union stance is rooted in his faith. Weird being a member of the UCC but whatever I didn't look for the others. Thanks for the back and forth. But Elmer I didn’t ask them I asked you and after much delay finally provided an answer. Thanks

So Marriage is about procreation and educating kids by both sexes. Single parents (limited contact with the opposite sex) must not rest well with you. Re procreation component - Frankly I don’t think it matters but we can disagree.

RE the candidates

Why are they opposed to gay marriage?
well at least Barak is

open to the possibility that my unwillingness to support gay marriage is misguided … I may have been infected with society’s prejudices and predilections and attributed them to God.

So his Civil Union stance is rooted in his faith. Weird being a member of the UCC but whatever

I didn’t look for the others.

Thanks for the back and forth.

]]> By: Elmer http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/23/maggies-latest-ploy/#comment-117821 Elmer Mon, 25 Feb 2008 02:16:38 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/23/maggies-latest-ploy/#comment-117821 And if you don't believe me ask Barak, Hillary or John, they'll tell you. And if you don’t believe me ask Barak, Hillary or John, they’ll tell you.

]]> By: Elmer http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/23/maggies-latest-ploy/#comment-117820 Elmer Mon, 25 Feb 2008 02:14:52 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/23/maggies-latest-ploy/#comment-117820 Marriage is the union of a male and female designed to create new life and give their children examples and guidance from both sexes. Marriage is the union of a male and female designed to create new life and give their children examples and guidance from both sexes.

]]> By: stlo7 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/23/maggies-latest-ploy/#comment-117817 stlo7 Mon, 25 Feb 2008 02:07:36 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/23/maggies-latest-ploy/#comment-117817 Elmer - you originally brought up that one should call same sex marriages Civil Unions. yet Hetrosexual Unions - Marriage I asked why and you refer me to Democratic positions. Answer the question instead of dodging it. I'm pleased that we appear to both agree on full rights, unconditional rights, for hetero/homosexuals. We are not debating that - I 'm asking why we should use different words to describe the same thing? Elmer - you originally brought up that one should call same sex marriages Civil Unions. yet Hetrosexual Unions - Marriage

I asked why and you refer me to Democratic positions.

Answer the question instead of dodging it. I’m pleased that we appear to both agree on full rights, unconditional rights, for hetero/homosexuals. We are not debating that -

I ‘m asking why we should use different words to describe the same thing?

]]> By: Exile on Ericsson St. http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/23/maggies-latest-ploy/#comment-117808 Exile on Ericsson St. Mon, 25 Feb 2008 01:39:59 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/23/maggies-latest-ploy/#comment-117808 You're right. Your position on this is the same as most prominent democrats. I don't agree with it, but it's not that far off from what I want. I view their positions -- and yours -- as an acceptable compromise as it were. What I don't find acceptable is Maggie demagoguing this issue. You’re right. Your position on this is the same as most prominent democrats. I don’t agree with it, but it’s not that far off from what I want. I view their positions — and yours — as an acceptable compromise as it were.

What I don’t find acceptable is Maggie demagoguing this issue.

]]> By: Elmer http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/23/maggies-latest-ploy/#comment-117807 Elmer Mon, 25 Feb 2008 01:36:25 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/23/maggies-latest-ploy/#comment-117807 Don't ask me the differences, but check out these two links: First the New York Blade - a gay weekly newspaper. It appears all three Democrat presidential contenders agree with me: http://www.nyblade.com/thelatest/thelatest.cfm?blog_id=12850 Now a gay blog that pretty much puts Obama in line with my thinking: http://citizenchris.typepad.com/citizenchris/2007/11/obama-and-gay-m.html Don’t ask me the differences, but check out these two links:
First the New York Blade - a gay weekly newspaper. It appears all three Democrat presidential contenders agree with me:
http://www.nyblade.com/thelatest/thelatest.cfm?blog_id=12850

Now a gay blog that pretty much puts Obama in line with my thinking:
http://citizenchris.typepad.com/citizenchris/2007/11/obama-and-gay-m.html

]]> By: stlo7 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/23/maggies-latest-ploy/#comment-117777 stlo7 Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:49:56 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/23/maggies-latest-ploy/#comment-117777 Please Elmer, point out the difference between two consenting adults entering a formal agreement (a contract of love so to speak). Point out these obvious differences. What exactly is the difference between Civil Union and Marriage from a government perspective? Please Elmer, point out the difference between two consenting adults entering a formal agreement (a contract of love so to speak). Point out these obvious differences.

What exactly is the difference between Civil Union and Marriage from a government perspective?

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