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		<title>By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/12/playing-musical-chairs-at-the-republican-party/#comment-130668</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 19:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Chambers in Rochester, when the Public Defender selection process became an issue of racism and police were brought in to squelch any violence that might erupt as a result of the swarms of citizens (many African [...]</description>
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		<title>By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Supervisor, Sandy Frankel-It&#8217;s time to rebuild bridges to restore dialog for future selection of the Public [...]</description>
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		<title>By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/12/playing-musical-chairs-at-the-republican-party/#comment-115148</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 02:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on one of the message boards, and asked for permission to run it. I think it does well, describing the feeling at the county leg meeting on Tuesday night. It illustrates, quiet nicely the attitude of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/12/playing-musical-chairs-at-the-republican-party/#comment-114683</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] democracy is your baby then &#8220;the dingo ate your baby.&#8221; From the Public Defender sham to the unFAIR Plan to Zero Tolerance (anyone else chilled by something with &#8220;zero&#8221; and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: davesnyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>davesnyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So my first instinct was to respond somewhat flippantly by saying "I'm glad you're offended. You should be." But I'm going to dial back from that.

Hep, below, better understands what I was trying to communicate. I'm frustrated at the lack of leadership on the Democratic side of our community over the eight years or so that I've lived in the area.

You're right. No one "deserves" to have an opaque government without input from the people that does not function in their best interest. Least of all, defendants who are entitled to a competent defence in a court of law-- in the end, that's the point of the objection to the process: the concern that politicizing the office of PD will lead to less than competent defence attorneys handling cases.

There's another fallout from this that no one has mentioned: if the PD office is politicized, becomes incompetent, and looses cases they should have won, not only will innocent people go to jail-- but, in the end, guilty people will end up being set free because of questions over the quality of their defence. I wonder how many Repubs in Monroe will be happy with that?

So, no, the people who will be most affected by this travesty do not deserve it. I was hoping, though, with that term to point out that we need to do *something* to improve the state of the Democratic party in this county.

We are plurality D in registration, we vote D in national and state-wide elections yet have R for exec, legislature, state senate, and Congress.

I don't know that the answer is as simple as Hep suggests-- replacing Morelle. 

Replace him with whom? We've been floundering, trying to find a good leader of the county Ds for years now.

I wasn't impressed with Molly. I'm still pissed that Rick walked out when we needed him most-- to coordinate legislature campaigns in '05. And Joe did the same, this year, along with not even finding an exec candidate.

I don't like Minarik. I don't want a D leader who will do what I perceive Minarik does-- borderline illegal, probably immoral-- to win elections. But I'd like to see us have someone who is as effective as Minarik is. I'm just not sure who that person is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So my first instinct was to respond somewhat flippantly by saying &#8220;I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re offended. You should be.&#8221; But I&#8217;m going to dial back from that.</p>
<p>Hep, below, better understands what I was trying to communicate. I&#8217;m frustrated at the lack of leadership on the Democratic side of our community over the eight years or so that I&#8217;ve lived in the area.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right. No one &#8220;deserves&#8221; to have an opaque government without input from the people that does not function in their best interest. Least of all, defendants who are entitled to a competent defence in a court of law&#8211; in the end, that&#8217;s the point of the objection to the process: the concern that politicizing the office of PD will lead to less than competent defence attorneys handling cases.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s another fallout from this that no one has mentioned: if the PD office is politicized, becomes incompetent, and looses cases they should have won, not only will innocent people go to jail&#8211; but, in the end, guilty people will end up being set free because of questions over the quality of their defence. I wonder how many Repubs in Monroe will be happy with that?</p>
<p>So, no, the people who will be most affected by this travesty do not deserve it. I was hoping, though, with that term to point out that we need to do *something* to improve the state of the Democratic party in this county.</p>
<p>We are plurality D in registration, we vote D in national and state-wide elections yet have R for exec, legislature, state senate, and Congress.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know that the answer is as simple as Hep suggests&#8211; replacing Morelle. </p>
<p>Replace him with whom? We&#8217;ve been floundering, trying to find a good leader of the county Ds for years now.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t impressed with Molly. I&#8217;m still pissed that Rick walked out when we needed him most&#8211; to coordinate legislature campaigns in &#8216;05. And Joe did the same, this year, along with not even finding an exec candidate.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like Minarik. I don&#8217;t want a D leader who will do what I perceive Minarik does&#8211; borderline illegal, probably immoral&#8211; to win elections. But I&#8217;d like to see us have someone who is as effective as Minarik is. I&#8217;m just not sure who that person is.</p>
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		<title>By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 01:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are only 14 of them. There should be more, but as others have stated in the comments of my last 2 posts, that ship has sailed and laying blame at any one individual&#8217;s feet is counter-productive. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are only 14 of them. There should be more, but as others have stated in the comments of my last 2 posts, that ship has sailed and laying blame at any one individual&#8217;s feet is counter-productive. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Informed Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Informed Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The woman talking to the police blocking the stairs is Myra Brown, who organizes for the Anti-Racism Movement (ARM) in Rochester.</description>
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		<title>By: ipsos</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/12/playing-musical-chairs-at-the-republican-party/#comment-114339</link>
		<dc:creator>ipsos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm 100% with Hep on this one - in fact, I even diaried about the lack of a county exec candidate &lt;a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/11/5/201417/022/939/406888" rel="nofollow"&gt;over on dKos&lt;/a&gt; back on election day last fall.

Morelle and the rest of the MC Dems should have moved heaven and earth to find someone - anyone - to take that line on the ballot last November. (Paul Haney? Lois Giess? Bob Stevenson?) 

At the very least, they could have cross-endorsed that guy who ran on the WFP ticket.

Leaving that hole on the ballot blank inevitably cost us turnout on election day - and probably the votes that would have pushed Nixon or Dunn or Davis or Levin over the top and prevented last night's fiasco.

It's the equivalent of the "50-state strategy" that Dean crafted and that Obama is using to such success in the presidential race - you fill EVERY hole on the ballot, and your chances of getting at least some of those people elected goes up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m 100% with Hep on this one - in fact, I even diaried about the lack of a county exec candidate <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/11/5/201417/022/939/406888" rel="nofollow">over on dKos</a> back on election day last fall.</p>
<p>Morelle and the rest of the MC Dems should have moved heaven and earth to find someone - anyone - to take that line on the ballot last November. (Paul Haney? Lois Giess? Bob Stevenson?) </p>
<p>At the very least, they could have cross-endorsed that guy who ran on the WFP ticket.</p>
<p>Leaving that hole on the ballot blank inevitably cost us turnout on election day - and probably the votes that would have pushed Nixon or Dunn or Davis or Levin over the top and prevented last night&#8217;s fiasco.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the equivalent of the &#8220;50-state strategy&#8221; that Dean crafted and that Obama is using to such success in the presidential race - you fill EVERY hole on the ballot, and your chances of getting at least some of those people elected goes up.</p>
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		<title>By: jiminybizbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jiminybizbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Armchair quarterbacking doesn't score 1 point on the field.</description>
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		<title>By: Hep</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/12/playing-musical-chairs-at-the-republican-party/#comment-114319</link>
		<dc:creator>Hep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>let's leave the attacks for the d&#38;c story chat jimbo. 

I'm not looking to run for anything.  But the fact remains that Joe is the freaking party chair.  If no one stepped up to run, his name should have been on the ballot.  That is his duty as the chair of the committee - IMO as a committee member.  

shamrock - 
it isn't a matter of the money they put into that race.  County Exec is the big prize in local elections.  That is what brings people out.  If there had been a contested race - no disrepect to Patrick Christopher - the higher turnout may have made the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let&#8217;s leave the attacks for the d&amp;c story chat jimbo. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not looking to run for anything.  But the fact remains that Joe is the freaking party chair.  If no one stepped up to run, his name should have been on the ballot.  That is his duty as the chair of the committee - IMO as a committee member.  </p>
<p>shamrock -<br />
it isn&#8217;t a matter of the money they put into that race.  County Exec is the big prize in local elections.  That is what brings people out.  If there had been a contested race - no disrepect to Patrick Christopher - the higher turnout may have made the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: senator shamrock</title>
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		<dc:creator>senator shamrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>haha! that is a nice call out. of course hep could be sue davis, todd dunn, or doreen levin. and i think dem hq put alot of money and time into nixon's race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haha! that is a nice call out. of course hep could be sue davis, todd dunn, or doreen levin. and i think dem hq put alot of money and time into nixon&#8217;s race.</p>
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		<title>By: jiminybizbo</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/12/playing-musical-chairs-at-the-republican-party/#comment-114297</link>
		<dc:creator>jiminybizbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's a free country Hep - I didn't see you running for public office, or were you waiting for Joe to call YOU?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a free country Hep - I didn&#8217;t see you running for public office, or were you waiting for Joe to call YOU?</p>
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		<title>By: Hep</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2008/02/12/playing-musical-chairs-at-the-republican-party/#comment-114291</link>
		<dc:creator>Hep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm with you on this one.   I feel that Morelle should resign as chair on November 5 - it should have been last November but that ship has obviously sailed.   It is unconscionable that HE failed to field a candidate in that race against Lyin' Maggie.  

I put the blame squarely on Joe.  Should someone have stepped up?  Of course.  But the buck stops with him and he should answer for it.

If Joe had done his job, it might have made the difference in Pittsford and had Ted Nixon prevailed, we wouldn't be having this discussion now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you on this one.   I feel that Morelle should resign as chair on November 5 - it should have been last November but that ship has obviously sailed.   It is unconscionable that HE failed to field a candidate in that race against Lyin&#8217; Maggie.  </p>
<p>I put the blame squarely on Joe.  Should someone have stepped up?  Of course.  But the buck stops with him and he should answer for it.</p>
<p>If Joe had done his job, it might have made the difference in Pittsford and had Ted Nixon prevailed, we wouldn&#8217;t be having this discussion now.</p>
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		<title>By: Paige</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paige</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Davesnyd, your comment is really offensive:

&lt;blockquote&gt;the county is getting what it deserves for allowing Maggie to be dictator, I mean, executive.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Monroe County does not deserve this. No way, no how. Every county deserves an open government where the public is allowed to speak and allowed to attend open meetings. This is an absolute requirement that citizens should have of their government, and it doesn't change because on political party did or did not take a certain action in a certain election.

Furthermore, how do you know this would be any different if there was a challenger to Queen Maggie? You don't. I'll go along with Stlo7, lets blame the thugs for their thuggish actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Davesnyd, your comment is really offensive:</p>
<blockquote><p>the county is getting what it deserves for allowing Maggie to be dictator, I mean, executive.</p></blockquote>
<p>Monroe County does not deserve this. No way, no how. Every county deserves an open government where the public is allowed to speak and allowed to attend open meetings. This is an absolute requirement that citizens should have of their government, and it doesn&#8217;t change because on political party did or did not take a certain action in a certain election.</p>
<p>Furthermore, how do you know this would be any different if there was a challenger to Queen Maggie? You don&#8217;t. I&#8217;ll go along with Stlo7, lets blame the thugs for their thuggish actions.</p>
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		<title>By: stlo7</title>
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		<dc:creator>stlo7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know I'd say "our fault".  If you are looking for pure "fault" - It is clearly the Republican's Majority's fault - that voted and locked the public out of the process.

That said - there is a reason why the Republicans are in the majority - the local Democratic party needs to run people in all races.  

I'll have more on that later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know I&#8217;d say &#8220;our fault&#8221;.  If you are looking for pure &#8220;fault&#8221; - It is clearly the Republican&#8217;s Majority&#8217;s fault - that voted and locked the public out of the process.</p>
<p>That said - there is a reason why the Republicans are in the majority - the local Democratic party needs to run people in all races.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have more on that later.</p>
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