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		<title>By: Jiminy Bizbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jiminy Bizbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 15:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jiminy Bizbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jiminy Bizbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 15:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not necessarily...money talks...it's Rural Metro that has the GOP loyalty...take a look at their roster.  The newly dethroned Mayor of ER Bonacchi is on the payroll, switched after having to quit RGRTA.  The list of playas should be run through the old political contribution machine, and we should be able to see the "truth"...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not necessarily&#8230;money talks&#8230;it&#8217;s Rural Metro that has the GOP loyalty&#8230;take a look at their roster.  The newly dethroned Mayor of ER Bonacchi is on the payroll, switched after having to quit RGRTA.  The list of playas should be run through the old political contribution machine, and we should be able to see the &#8220;truth&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: stlo7</title>
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		<dc:creator>stlo7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 13:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not disagreeing with local vs non-local.  All things equal fine.  

Rural metro/Ambulance all things were not equal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not disagreeing with local vs non-local.  All things equal fine.  </p>
<p>Rural metro/Ambulance all things were not equal.</p>
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		<title>By: Bigboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bigboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 11:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"RE profits going out of town. Let me simply add - Applebees, Walmart, Red Robin, the Hyatt, etc etc etc. As you said, the employees are here - they are spending money here."

I am not going to going to go down the argument of rural vs. Monroe. However, companies that have headquarters here grow opportunities here.  Its nice to see representation in non-profits where the board is made of COTB, board members, presidents and CEOs rather than general manager, regional vp, local spokesman, store manager.  The HQ's contribute to organizations like the United Way, WXXI, sponsor local events.  They don't have to ask mommy (out of town HQ) for permission.  People can aspire to their highest dreams at locally owned company.  Locally owned companies buy out other companies and bring those management positions here.  And that is how Rochester will grow (not waiting for all the small companies to bring one extra person on board).  All things being equal, go local.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;RE profits going out of town. Let me simply add - Applebees, Walmart, Red Robin, the Hyatt, etc etc etc. As you said, the employees are here - they are spending money here.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am not going to going to go down the argument of rural vs. Monroe. However, companies that have headquarters here grow opportunities here.  Its nice to see representation in non-profits where the board is made of COTB, board members, presidents and CEOs rather than general manager, regional vp, local spokesman, store manager.  The HQ&#8217;s contribute to organizations like the United Way, WXXI, sponsor local events.  They don&#8217;t have to ask mommy (out of town HQ) for permission.  People can aspire to their highest dreams at locally owned company.  Locally owned companies buy out other companies and bring those management positions here.  And that is how Rochester will grow (not waiting for all the small companies to bring one extra person on board).  All things being equal, go local.</p>
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		<title>By: stlo7</title>
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		<dc:creator>stlo7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 23:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok Mr Shamrock  - Where the heck are you coming from with this?

&lt;blockquote&gt;monroe had a cheaper bid with better technology. to me that stands for efficiency and value at a time when we need them most.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The lowest bid is not always the best.  It doesn't mean that someone is low balling a bid so they can make it up later in offsets or CRs (change requests).

Frankly that sounds a little naive.  

RE Technology.  What exactly are you referring to?  I need help understanding yoru point so help me understand it.

If it is the computer hook up well, It exists unlike Duffy asserted and City Council found out that it does exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok Mr Shamrock  - Where the heck are you coming from with this?</p>
<blockquote><p>monroe had a cheaper bid with better technology. to me that stands for efficiency and value at a time when we need them most.
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<p>The lowest bid is not always the best.  It doesn&#8217;t mean that someone is low balling a bid so they can make it up later in offsets or CRs (change requests).</p>
<p>Frankly that sounds a little naive.  </p>
<p>RE Technology.  What exactly are you referring to?  I need help understanding yoru point so help me understand it.</p>
<p>If it is the computer hook up well, It exists unlike Duffy asserted and City Council found out that it does exist.</p>
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		<title>By: hsrstud</title>
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		<dc:creator>hsrstud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 21:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does sound as though City Council made a reasonable attempt at understanding the issues at hand.  

Dana Miller's letter states, "In order to ensure that we had an adequate understanding of these complex issues, Council convened a series of workshops designed to provide sufficient background to enable an informed decision."  Then he lists the workshops.  Dana follows up with "...additional sessions were held with representatives of the Administration's review committee...The committee provided substantial and detailed responses to a series of questions that Councilmembers had posed. Following the review of this information, Councilmembers had additional Work Sessions in which the merits of the two proposals were discussed along with the various clarifications that had been requested from both companies."

They then lay out the rational for each side's (Administration and Council) decision.  Basically, Rural Metro clarified that they would meet the parameters that Monroe Ambulance said they would provide.  Hence, City Council decided that many other considerations (which are listed in detail), which weighed in favor of Rural/Metro, were relevant to the final decision.  

It doesn't sound like they went about this willy nilly.  Dana's letter appears quite balanced, in contrast to Duffy's self-promotion letter.  I also don't agree with Duffy's assertion (in his letter) that the process he used was transparent, open, or scholarly.  Basically, it sounds (from his letter) as though he had 5 self-appointed experts meet with him in a room and tell him what they thought was best.  Talk about Bushesque.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does sound as though City Council made a reasonable attempt at understanding the issues at hand.  </p>
<p>Dana Miller&#8217;s letter states, &#8220;In order to ensure that we had an adequate understanding of these complex issues, Council convened a series of workshops designed to provide sufficient background to enable an informed decision.&#8221;  Then he lists the workshops.  Dana follows up with &#8220;&#8230;additional sessions were held with representatives of the Administration&#8217;s review committee&#8230;The committee provided substantial and detailed responses to a series of questions that Councilmembers had posed. Following the review of this information, Councilmembers had additional Work Sessions in which the merits of the two proposals were discussed along with the various clarifications that had been requested from both companies.&#8221;</p>
<p>They then lay out the rational for each side&#8217;s (Administration and Council) decision.  Basically, Rural Metro clarified that they would meet the parameters that Monroe Ambulance said they would provide.  Hence, City Council decided that many other considerations (which are listed in detail), which weighed in favor of Rural/Metro, were relevant to the final decision.  </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t sound like they went about this willy nilly.  Dana&#8217;s letter appears quite balanced, in contrast to Duffy&#8217;s self-promotion letter.  I also don&#8217;t agree with Duffy&#8217;s assertion (in his letter) that the process he used was transparent, open, or scholarly.  Basically, it sounds (from his letter) as though he had 5 self-appointed experts meet with him in a room and tell him what they thought was best.  Talk about Bushesque.</p>
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		<title>By: senator shamrock</title>
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		<dc:creator>senator shamrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i wouldn't frequent any of those places you mentioned. i avoid dinosaur bbq in favor of beale st to keep it local. city council should not be a rubber stamp, but they picked on odd issue to stand up for themselves. although miller sounds like a guy justifying staying with a girlfriend he isn't entirely happy with but prefers the routine over the fear of dating again. in any case, they should put their new found scrutiny to other issues like zero tolerance or the curfew. monroe had a cheaper bid with better technology. to me that stands for efficiency and value at a time when we need them most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i wouldn&#8217;t frequent any of those places you mentioned. i avoid dinosaur bbq in favor of beale st to keep it local. city council should not be a rubber stamp, but they picked on odd issue to stand up for themselves. although miller sounds like a guy justifying staying with a girlfriend he isn&#8217;t entirely happy with but prefers the routine over the fear of dating again. in any case, they should put their new found scrutiny to other issues like zero tolerance or the curfew. monroe had a cheaper bid with better technology. to me that stands for efficiency and value at a time when we need them most.</p>
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		<title>By: stlo7</title>
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		<dc:creator>stlo7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 19:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are assuming the bid process was ignored.  I'm arguing it wasn't .  I've participating in putting contracts out to bid.  it is not always about the lowest bid. 

Finally - City Council approves a contract not rubber stamps so there must be something else going one here.

RE profits going out of town.  Let me simply add - Applebees, Walmart, Red Robin, the Hyatt, etc etc etc.  As you said, the employees are here - they are spending money here.  

Why not local?  Well, the city council in their wisdom decided that rural was capable of delivering the same service and per Miller

&lt;blockquote&gt;picked Rural/Metro because it was a known commodity with experience in the city, was accredited, employs a more diverse staff and more city residents, and has a union, showing a commitment to fair labor-management relations.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are assuming the bid process was ignored.  I&#8217;m arguing it wasn&#8217;t .  I&#8217;ve participating in putting contracts out to bid.  it is not always about the lowest bid. </p>
<p>Finally - City Council approves a contract not rubber stamps so there must be something else going one here.</p>
<p>RE profits going out of town.  Let me simply add - Applebees, Walmart, Red Robin, the Hyatt, etc etc etc.  As you said, the employees are here - they are spending money here.  </p>
<p>Why not local?  Well, the city council in their wisdom decided that rural was capable of delivering the same service and per Miller</p>
<blockquote><p>picked Rural/Metro because it was a known commodity with experience in the city, was accredited, employs a more diverse staff and more city residents, and has a union, showing a commitment to fair labor-management relations.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: senator shamrock</title>
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		<dc:creator>senator shamrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>monroe had the lowest bid. and yeah, they would have probably taken the 200 fired employees into their fold, all the reason to let whiny rural/metro leave. and when bob stevenson says, they were good when they took my skeletor ass to the hospital last week i counter with the fact it took 2 rural/metro ambulances to get bills t.e. kevin everett to the hospital because the first one broke down.
to be sure, i don't tend to care for duffy's republicanesque policies, but what is the point of a bid process if in the end it is ignored? if a company is owned out of town, that is generally where the profits will end up, since we both agree the employees will be here either way. if all things are equal, why not go as local as possible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>monroe had the lowest bid. and yeah, they would have probably taken the 200 fired employees into their fold, all the reason to let whiny rural/metro leave. and when bob stevenson says, they were good when they took my skeletor ass to the hospital last week i counter with the fact it took 2 rural/metro ambulances to get bills t.e. kevin everett to the hospital because the first one broke down.<br />
to be sure, i don&#8217;t tend to care for duffy&#8217;s republicanesque policies, but what is the point of a bid process if in the end it is ignored? if a company is owned out of town, that is generally where the profits will end up, since we both agree the employees will be here either way. if all things are equal, why not go as local as possible?</p>
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		<title>By: stlo7</title>
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		<dc:creator>stlo7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which part do with Duffy do you agree?  The my way or the highway part?  the My experts are better than or experts part or the I'm the mayor I don't need any oversight part?  Maybe it is the misrepresentation of the computer hook up?  Which part.

Oh - Woman owned business.  OK - Personally I think that really is great.  However, I have seen with other companies that to qualify for a contract someone puts their wife or someone in charge so they can claim woman owned.  I'm not saying that in this case that is what happened but I have seen it some much in the past that woman owned needs to be defined better here,.

Firing 2 hundred employees and blackmail.  Monroe is much smaller and would have had to grow substantially to handle the call volume.  most if not all of those employees would/could have been absorbed.

Rural is an outsider?  Weill is was founded here in 1952 and bough by someone in Arizona.  Outsider?  So is Harris Corporation (ne RF Communications), Bausch and Lomb,  Frontier telephone, RG&#038;E, etc.  Heck - maybe the Amerks if Buffalo buys them outright.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which part do with Duffy do you agree?  The my way or the highway part?  the My experts are better than or experts part or the I&#8217;m the mayor I don&#8217;t need any oversight part?  Maybe it is the misrepresentation of the computer hook up?  Which part.</p>
<p>Oh - Woman owned business.  OK - Personally I think that really is great.  However, I have seen with other companies that to qualify for a contract someone puts their wife or someone in charge so they can claim woman owned.  I&#8217;m not saying that in this case that is what happened but I have seen it some much in the past that woman owned needs to be defined better here,.</p>
<p>Firing 2 hundred employees and blackmail.  Monroe is much smaller and would have had to grow substantially to handle the call volume.  most if not all of those employees would/could have been absorbed.</p>
<p>Rural is an outsider?  Weill is was founded here in 1952 and bough by someone in Arizona.  Outsider?  So is Harris Corporation (ne RF Communications), Bausch and Lomb,  Frontier telephone, RG&#038;E, etc.  Heck - maybe the Amerks if Buffalo buys them outright.</p>
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		<title>By: senator shamrock</title>
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		<dc:creator>senator shamrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i would like to point out that monroe is a local company owned by a woman and rural metro is an outsider. monroe used to have the city contract, so they have experience too. also, rural/metro said that if they didn't get they contract they would fire their 200 local employees. so they blackmailed the city and won. yeah, that is a fair process. for once, i agree with duffy. i wish the council would show more backbone on other issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i would like to point out that monroe is a local company owned by a woman and rural metro is an outsider. monroe used to have the city contract, so they have experience too. also, rural/metro said that if they didn&#8217;t get they contract they would fire their 200 local employees. so they blackmailed the city and won. yeah, that is a fair process. for once, i agree with duffy. i wish the council would show more backbone on other issues.</p>
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