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	<title>Comments on: F.A.I.R. is not FAIR it is F.O.U.L</title>
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		<title>By: hsrstud</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2007/10/01/fair-is-not-fair-it-is-foul/#comment-63488</link>
		<dc:creator>hsrstud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 05:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only human.  A misplaced word, nothing that can't be overlooked!</description>
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		<title>By: charles</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2007/10/01/fair-is-not-fair-it-is-foul/#comment-63432</link>
		<dc:creator>charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 00:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks.  Except at the end when I said "counties" I meant towns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.  Except at the end when I said &#8220;counties&#8221; I meant towns.</p>
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		<title>By: hsrstud</title>
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		<dc:creator>hsrstud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 00:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, nice roundup.</description>
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		<title>By: charles</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2007/10/01/fair-is-not-fair-it-is-foul/#comment-63412</link>
		<dc:creator>charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 22:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With respect to legality of the program, I don't think that a determination by the Supreme Court is what's necessary to conclude that an action is illegal.  Or contrary to our constitution.  First of all, there are decisions made every day by courts in this country concerning actions that are illegal that never make it to the Supreme Court.  Second, the members of the current Supreme Court (or at least five of them) might not conclude that the FSA wiretapping (and who knows whatever datamining is occurring) is illegal, but that doesn't mean that such actions are not contrary to the principles upon which this country was founded or even prior legal decisions.  Legal scholars and lawyers certainly are questioning these policies.  In fact, even Republican senators have been quoted as follows:

 Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC): ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…â€œThe FISA Act wasÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â‚¬Å“created a court set up by the chief justice of the United States to allow a rapid response to requests for surveillance activity in the war on terror. I donÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t know of any legal basis to go around that.ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â

Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA): ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…â€œÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚ÂThere is no doubt that this is inappropriate.ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ): ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…â€œWALLACE: But you do not believe that currently he has the legal authority to engage in these warrant-less wiretaps. MCCAIN: You know, I donÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t think soÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â

Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS): ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…â€œI am troubled by what the basis for the grounds that the administration says that they did these on, the legal basisÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â 

Second, the process by which decisions are made is the hallmark of a democracy.  And the process here stinks.  The process helps to create the substance.  Failure to include all of our legislators in the process prevents us (and our legislators) from adequately analyzing the data and coming up with solutions.

Finally, since we haven't been provided with the data, the reasoning behind the recommendations, or the time to have economists, lawyers, legislators, school administrators and other necessary parties review the plan, it seems a little silly to expect me to come up with the alternative, doesn't it?  How about giving the experts the opportunity - a real opportunity - to participate in our government.  Then maybe the Republicans won't be generating the anger they are right now.  

I read in today's D&#38;C a letter to the editor, in which the writer wrote about Ms. Brooks' "shell game".  I don't know that writer, but I believe I used that phrase recently (I'm not feeling like reviewing the prior posts right now - dinner's almost ready) .  So this is what these practices create - rancor among the public, and budgets in which we have no confidence.

But you still haven't answered my questions, which have nothing to do with choosing to ignore the topic, and everything to do with how things are done around here and why an increasing number of people are questioning the Republican party's handling of county government.

To call my comments an ad hominem attackis inaccurate - unless by saying that when I question how things are done I'm attacking you personally.  The Water Authority appointments are a prime example of the backroom deals that should not be the way business is done.  Maybe you're qualfied - but the process makes us all question this.

So if you really want to discuss the Brooks plan, why don't you share with us, as a Republican insider, who may have been present or at least knowledgeable about the creation of this plan, who was consulted, what the considerations were (such as "Can the schools afford to lose this?" or "Will we be able to claim we didn't raise taxes again"), whether the county's finances were actually calculated, whether school costs were calculated, whether there was ever a thought to include members of the DemocratIC party or public, and if not why not.  Maybe you can let us know why those who came up with this plan thought they should do this without generating the publicity or consulting with the other legislators or school administrators, the state and counties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With respect to legality of the program, I don&#8217;t think that a determination by the Supreme Court is what&#8217;s necessary to conclude that an action is illegal.  Or contrary to our constitution.  First of all, there are decisions made every day by courts in this country concerning actions that are illegal that never make it to the Supreme Court.  Second, the members of the current Supreme Court (or at least five of them) might not conclude that the FSA wiretapping (and who knows whatever datamining is occurring) is illegal, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that such actions are not contrary to the principles upon which this country was founded or even prior legal decisions.  Legal scholars and lawyers certainly are questioning these policies.  In fact, even Republican senators have been quoted as follows:</p>
<p> Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC): ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…â€œThe FISA Act wasÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â‚¬Å“created a court set up by the chief justice of the United States to allow a rapid response to requests for surveillance activity in the war on terror. I donÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t know of any legal basis to go around that.ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â</p>
<p>Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA): ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…â€œÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚ÂThere is no doubt that this is inappropriate.ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â</p>
<p>Sen. John McCain (R-AZ): ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…â€œWALLACE: But you do not believe that currently he has the legal authority to engage in these warrant-less wiretaps. MCCAIN: You know, I donÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t think soÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â</p>
<p>Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS): ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…â€œI am troubled by what the basis for the grounds that the administration says that they did these on, the legal basisÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â </p>
<p>Second, the process by which decisions are made is the hallmark of a democracy.  And the process here stinks.  The process helps to create the substance.  Failure to include all of our legislators in the process prevents us (and our legislators) from adequately analyzing the data and coming up with solutions.</p>
<p>Finally, since we haven&#8217;t been provided with the data, the reasoning behind the recommendations, or the time to have economists, lawyers, legislators, school administrators and other necessary parties review the plan, it seems a little silly to expect me to come up with the alternative, doesn&#8217;t it?  How about giving the experts the opportunity - a real opportunity - to participate in our government.  Then maybe the Republicans won&#8217;t be generating the anger they are right now.  </p>
<p>I read in today&#8217;s D&amp;C a letter to the editor, in which the writer wrote about Ms. Brooks&#8217; &#8220;shell game&#8221;.  I don&#8217;t know that writer, but I believe I used that phrase recently (I&#8217;m not feeling like reviewing the prior posts right now - dinner&#8217;s almost ready) .  So this is what these practices create - rancor among the public, and budgets in which we have no confidence.</p>
<p>But you still haven&#8217;t answered my questions, which have nothing to do with choosing to ignore the topic, and everything to do with how things are done around here and why an increasing number of people are questioning the Republican party&#8217;s handling of county government.</p>
<p>To call my comments an ad hominem attackis inaccurate - unless by saying that when I question how things are done I&#8217;m attacking you personally.  The Water Authority appointments are a prime example of the backroom deals that should not be the way business is done.  Maybe you&#8217;re qualfied - but the process makes us all question this.</p>
<p>So if you really want to discuss the Brooks plan, why don&#8217;t you share with us, as a Republican insider, who may have been present or at least knowledgeable about the creation of this plan, who was consulted, what the considerations were (such as &#8220;Can the schools afford to lose this?&#8221; or &#8220;Will we be able to claim we didn&#8217;t raise taxes again&#8221;), whether the county&#8217;s finances were actually calculated, whether school costs were calculated, whether there was ever a thought to include members of the DemocratIC party or public, and if not why not.  Maybe you can let us know why those who came up with this plan thought they should do this without generating the publicity or consulting with the other legislators or school administrators, the state and counties.</p>
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		<title>By: hsrstud</title>
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		<dc:creator>hsrstud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 21:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If such calls occur within the United States, they are domestic.  Anyway, I think the point couldn't be clearer that Republicans are willing to obfuscate the truth in order to do as they please in order to protect their interests and their image.  It doesn't take a PhD to decipher between legitimate differences in interpretation and flat out avoiding the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If such calls occur within the United States, they are domestic.  Anyway, I think the point couldn&#8217;t be clearer that Republicans are willing to obfuscate the truth in order to do as they please in order to protect their interests and their image.  It doesn&#8217;t take a PhD to decipher between legitimate differences in interpretation and flat out avoiding the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: John DiCaro</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2007/10/01/fair-is-not-fair-it-is-foul/#comment-63383</link>
		<dc:creator>John DiCaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 20:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm pretty sure he was talking about the NSA surveilance program which wiretapped calls which originated or ended in the US. To my knowledge, there has never been an adjudication that the President exceeded his power in authorizing same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure he was talking about the NSA surveilance program which wiretapped calls which originated or ended in the US. To my knowledge, there has never been an adjudication that the President exceeded his power in authorizing same.</p>
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		<title>By: hsrstud</title>
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		<dc:creator>hsrstud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 19:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You just used an inappropriate label, one promoted by the biggest political manipulator of our time, Karl Rove.  I find it hard to take your comments sincerely if you use the word Democrat when you should be using the term Democratic.  

Charles did not refer to overseas telephone surveillance, he referred to domestic surveillance.  The Supreme Court held in Katz v. United States (1967), that the monitoring and recording of private conversations constitutes a "search" for Fourth Amendment purposes, and therefore the government must obtain a warrant before domestic wiretapping can be engaged in.  Since the Bush Administration is not acquiring warrants, what they are doing is illegal.  

Maggie's and the county legislature's plan is lacking on its merits for all the reasons stated above, including all the games they have been playing over the past decade, which have led to this mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You just used an inappropriate label, one promoted by the biggest political manipulator of our time, Karl Rove.  I find it hard to take your comments sincerely if you use the word Democrat when you should be using the term Democratic.  </p>
<p>Charles did not refer to overseas telephone surveillance, he referred to domestic surveillance.  The Supreme Court held in Katz v. United States (1967), that the monitoring and recording of private conversations constitutes a &#8220;search&#8221; for Fourth Amendment purposes, and therefore the government must obtain a warrant before domestic wiretapping can be engaged in.  Since the Bush Administration is not acquiring warrants, what they are doing is illegal.  </p>
<p>Maggie&#8217;s and the county legislature&#8217;s plan is lacking on its merits for all the reasons stated above, including all the games they have been playing over the past decade, which have led to this mess.</p>
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		<title>By: realgreecer</title>
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		<dc:creator>realgreecer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 16:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm afraid that republican politics here as I see them are through politics in extremis COMIDA Water Authority double dippers funneling work to friends.

Even the chairman Steve Minarik is in on the profit.
What's with his public relations firm Impact Communications I think it is 
Do they do or have they done work in the past for republican candidates (reputedly not so voluntarily on that part of those candidates) slop slop</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid that republican politics here as I see them are through politics in extremis COMIDA Water Authority double dippers funneling work to friends.</p>
<p>Even the chairman Steve Minarik is in on the profit.<br />
What&#8217;s with his public relations firm Impact Communications I think it is<br />
Do they do or have they done work in the past for republican candidates (reputedly not so voluntarily on that part of those candidates) slop slop</p>
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		<title>By: John DiCaro</title>
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		<dc:creator>John DiCaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 13:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jiminy:

I'm sorry to have to let facts interfere with your rant but:

The MCWA Board of Ethics has been in existence for less than 3 years. It did not exist at the time of Mr. Stanwix departure.

The Board of Ethics has nothing whatever to do with the actual operation of the Water Authority.

We members of the Board of Ethics serve witout compensation of any kind (except for the satisfaction of public service).

Here's some free advice: make the fact-finding calls before you go off on ignorant, offensive, and incorrect rants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jiminy:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry to have to let facts interfere with your rant but:</p>
<p>The MCWA Board of Ethics has been in existence for less than 3 years. It did not exist at the time of Mr. Stanwix departure.</p>
<p>The Board of Ethics has nothing whatever to do with the actual operation of the Water Authority.</p>
<p>We members of the Board of Ethics serve witout compensation of any kind (except for the satisfaction of public service).</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s some free advice: make the fact-finding calls before you go off on ignorant, offensive, and incorrect rants.</p>
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		<title>By: John DiCaro</title>
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		<dc:creator>John DiCaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 12:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles, with the exception of calling Jiminy an "ideologue", I don't believe I've done any "name-calling". Please point out to me any comment to the contrary. 

My claim about Democrat talking points being regularly used by commentors on this site is hardly a stretch. In the last couple of days, critics of Brooks's plan have asked "why do Republicans hate children" and there have been numerous references to "Bush's war for oil", among others. You referenced "illegal wiretaps". Can you tell me when the Supreme Court ruled the overseas telephone surveilance program illegal? To my knowledge, the "illegality"  is the opinion of Democrats, not based on any judicial finding.

Finally, please note that the Board of Ethics, of which I am a member, was created less than 3 years ago as a result of State legislation requiring various municipal boards and authorities to create them. The Board of Ethics did not exist at the time of John Stanwix departure.

It appears to me that your questions are an attempt to avoid the real issue; the merits of the Brooks' plan. I'll discuss that, not the ad hominem efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles, with the exception of calling Jiminy an &#8220;ideologue&#8221;, I don&#8217;t believe I&#8217;ve done any &#8220;name-calling&#8221;. Please point out to me any comment to the contrary. </p>
<p>My claim about Democrat talking points being regularly used by commentors on this site is hardly a stretch. In the last couple of days, critics of Brooks&#8217;s plan have asked &#8220;why do Republicans hate children&#8221; and there have been numerous references to &#8220;Bush&#8217;s war for oil&#8221;, among others. You referenced &#8220;illegal wiretaps&#8221;. Can you tell me when the Supreme Court ruled the overseas telephone surveilance program illegal? To my knowledge, the &#8220;illegality&#8221;  is the opinion of Democrats, not based on any judicial finding.</p>
<p>Finally, please note that the Board of Ethics, of which I am a member, was created less than 3 years ago as a result of State legislation requiring various municipal boards and authorities to create them. The Board of Ethics did not exist at the time of John Stanwix departure.</p>
<p>It appears to me that your questions are an attempt to avoid the real issue; the merits of the Brooks&#8217; plan. I&#8217;ll discuss that, not the ad hominem efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 11:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it's great that people of various political persuasions exchange views here, and I hope you don't leave.  But you can't come out, guns blazing and calling names without facing a response.  And frankly, I'm extremely frustrated with the manipulations of Steve Minarik and its impact on this county, and my post reflects that more than a desire to repress your expression.

I do believe that the Water Authority office was used to benefit Republican supporters, and manipulated to ensure that the Democrats didn't have a say in how it ran.

I also believe that Minarik has manipulated this county's political system, and that those who seek his support and political positions around here sacrifice good government in order to attain position.

I agree that Medicaid has burdened our county (and every other in New York) financially.  But I don't agree that we play a shell game of hide the tax hike, by shifting the hike to the school taxes and taking funding from our schools without notice, and without input from the state and schools.  

There is money to be had in the county - once we stop providing welfare for Republican donors, be they contractors or supplier.  It won't make up this deficit, but it's a start.  Schools should be among the last places we look for funding - but if we do it, let's do it in an aboveboard way, with notice and comment from the public, input from the schools and the state (the real funding source), and an acknowledgement that taxes are going up, instead of pretending that they've been reduced.  

I think the dishonesty of the label and the way in this was handled, besides the 1984ish quality of labeling something as the opposite of what it is, cements the lack of trust many have developed for Republican politics.  And I want to ask you the same questions -

Was that the Water Authority the board that, when required to have members from two parties on it, had members appointed from the Republican and Conservative parties? Are you denying that Steve Minarik calls all the shots for Republicans (and consequently the county) in this town?   Let me ask you another - have you ever done anything counter to what Minarik wants?  What were the consequences?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s great that people of various political persuasions exchange views here, and I hope you don&#8217;t leave.  But you can&#8217;t come out, guns blazing and calling names without facing a response.  And frankly, I&#8217;m extremely frustrated with the manipulations of Steve Minarik and its impact on this county, and my post reflects that more than a desire to repress your expression.</p>
<p>I do believe that the Water Authority office was used to benefit Republican supporters, and manipulated to ensure that the Democrats didn&#8217;t have a say in how it ran.</p>
<p>I also believe that Minarik has manipulated this county&#8217;s political system, and that those who seek his support and political positions around here sacrifice good government in order to attain position.</p>
<p>I agree that Medicaid has burdened our county (and every other in New York) financially.  But I don&#8217;t agree that we play a shell game of hide the tax hike, by shifting the hike to the school taxes and taking funding from our schools without notice, and without input from the state and schools.  </p>
<p>There is money to be had in the county - once we stop providing welfare for Republican donors, be they contractors or supplier.  It won&#8217;t make up this deficit, but it&#8217;s a start.  Schools should be among the last places we look for funding - but if we do it, let&#8217;s do it in an aboveboard way, with notice and comment from the public, input from the schools and the state (the real funding source), and an acknowledgement that taxes are going up, instead of pretending that they&#8217;ve been reduced.  </p>
<p>I think the dishonesty of the label and the way in this was handled, besides the 1984ish quality of labeling something as the opposite of what it is, cements the lack of trust many have developed for Republican politics.  And I want to ask you the same questions -</p>
<p>Was that the Water Authority the board that, when required to have members from two parties on it, had members appointed from the Republican and Conservative parties? Are you denying that Steve Minarik calls all the shots for Republicans (and consequently the county) in this town?   Let me ask you another - have you ever done anything counter to what Minarik wants?  What were the consequences?</p>
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		<title>By: Jiminy Bizbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jiminy Bizbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 10:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Water Authority board members receive $7,000 a year, and the chairperson receives $10,500 a year, according to the 2007 county budget. Currently, board members and their families can also receive lifetime health coverage and other benefits."

No wonder you fight like hell.  This isn't a seat on a board - it's a way of life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Water Authority board members receive $7,000 a year, and the chairperson receives $10,500 a year, according to the 2007 county budget. Currently, board members and their families can also receive lifetime health coverage and other benefits.&#8221;</p>
<p>No wonder you fight like hell.  This isn&#8217;t a seat on a board - it&#8217;s a way of life.</p>
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		<title>By: Jiminy Bizbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jiminy Bizbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 10:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a cop-out John.  Always the same tag line to every response you don't want to hear.  Just like Minarik and company "skirting" the issue with Maggie.  If you have a vested issue by being on the MCWA Ethics Board, you should at least be honest enough to make your intentions known through your comments.  Care to tell us how much you are PAID for your Ethical opinions?  I'll find out in a couple of phone calls regardless, but it would be nice to have you admit it.

Why does it take majority opposition in either this blog OR in the Legislature, OR i nthe Assembly, State or Federal to get anyone in the GOP to tell the truth?

PEOPLE elect INDIVIDUALS to represent their best interests.  Have you forgotten the definition of "public service"?

Nevermind - we'll remind you come November for crying out loud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a cop-out John.  Always the same tag line to every response you don&#8217;t want to hear.  Just like Minarik and company &#8220;skirting&#8221; the issue with Maggie.  If you have a vested issue by being on the MCWA Ethics Board, you should at least be honest enough to make your intentions known through your comments.  Care to tell us how much you are PAID for your Ethical opinions?  I&#8217;ll find out in a couple of phone calls regardless, but it would be nice to have you admit it.</p>
<p>Why does it take majority opposition in either this blog OR in the Legislature, OR i nthe Assembly, State or Federal to get anyone in the GOP to tell the truth?</p>
<p>PEOPLE elect INDIVIDUALS to represent their best interests.  Have you forgotten the definition of &#8220;public service&#8221;?</p>
<p>Nevermind - we&#8217;ll remind you come November for crying out loud.</p>
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		<title>By: John DiCaro</title>
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		<dc:creator>John DiCaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 04:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I should give up on commenting on this blog. So many of the commentators here are captives of left-wing rhetoric and talking points, that its difficult to discuss an issue like our County budget without having someone try to place it in the context of alleged overall Republican "tyranny".

I wonder if you have actually considered the effects of the Brooks' plan and compared it to any alternatives. As I noted previously, its easy to criticise; its much harder to propose alternatives. Many Democrats blithely state that Brooks and the GOP have "caused" the deficit and now they want to balance the budget "on the backs" of the less fortunate. 

Really? Can you articulate the policies that have led to the deficit? Do you deny the crushing growth of the medicaid program and its effects on the County budget? Is it unfair to look at school districts and ask them if a 1%-2% cut in their revenues isn't reasonable, particularly since the state aid to schools has grown dramatically?

My point about "playing politics" was not an attempt to justify any actions by Republicans because the Democrats "do it too". I was simply responding to the fact that most GOP actions are attacked here as being nothing but politics, without any effort to discuss the merits, while politically motivated moves by Democrats which bear on the same topics are ignored. I'm not supportive of any moves by members of either party made just for the sake of politics.

Finally, yes, I am the Gates GOP leader and I am on the Water Authority Board of Ethics. I have never made any effort to hide my political posts or persuasions. I wasn't aware, however, that disqualified me from having an opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I should give up on commenting on this blog. So many of the commentators here are captives of left-wing rhetoric and talking points, that its difficult to discuss an issue like our County budget without having someone try to place it in the context of alleged overall Republican &#8220;tyranny&#8221;.</p>
<p>I wonder if you have actually considered the effects of the Brooks&#8217; plan and compared it to any alternatives. As I noted previously, its easy to criticise; its much harder to propose alternatives. Many Democrats blithely state that Brooks and the GOP have &#8220;caused&#8221; the deficit and now they want to balance the budget &#8220;on the backs&#8221; of the less fortunate. </p>
<p>Really? Can you articulate the policies that have led to the deficit? Do you deny the crushing growth of the medicaid program and its effects on the County budget? Is it unfair to look at school districts and ask them if a 1%-2% cut in their revenues isn&#8217;t reasonable, particularly since the state aid to schools has grown dramatically?</p>
<p>My point about &#8220;playing politics&#8221; was not an attempt to justify any actions by Republicans because the Democrats &#8220;do it too&#8221;. I was simply responding to the fact that most GOP actions are attacked here as being nothing but politics, without any effort to discuss the merits, while politically motivated moves by Democrats which bear on the same topics are ignored. I&#8217;m not supportive of any moves by members of either party made just for the sake of politics.</p>
<p>Finally, yes, I am the Gates GOP leader and I am on the Water Authority Board of Ethics. I have never made any effort to hide my political posts or persuasions. I wasn&#8217;t aware, however, that disqualified me from having an opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: hsrstud</title>
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		<dc:creator>hsrstud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 01:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And how does the quality of the water compare?  What are the differences in costs for the city due to economies of scale, etc.  I think making a straight comparison without other relevant information paints an inaccurate picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And how does the quality of the water compare?  What are the differences in costs for the city due to economies of scale, etc.  I think making a straight comparison without other relevant information paints an inaccurate picture.</p>
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