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		<title>By: tothesea</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2007/07/30/a-conversation-with-andy-stainton/#comment-54571</link>
		<dc:creator>tothesea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 06:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew Stainton and others will be at the Public Market today collecting signatures to get him on the ballot. Come sign and  help make it happen :) .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew Stainton and others will be at the Public Market today collecting signatures to get him on the ballot. Come sign and  help make it happen <img src='http://rochesterturning.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: Local Observer</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2007/07/30/a-conversation-with-andy-stainton/#comment-54089</link>
		<dc:creator>Local Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee said
ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…â€œThe County tried to get the old CSX bed in North Gates a few years back, and the company asked for more than 10 million just for that small section.ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â

If that is indeed true then CSX has determined that the value of that small strip of land is $10 million dollars and it should be taxed accordingly. Gates has been suffering from the Property tax loss from Kodak so this little piece of land should make up for a lot of that.
That might make them rethink the actual value of this property.

IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢m not sure what to think about this Stainton guy but I think IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ll swing by Boulder Coffee tomorrow to sign his petition. If nothing else at least Maggie may have to answer some questions as to why she hasnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t done anything in the last 4 years and why anyone should support the Renaissance Boondoggle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee said<br />
ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…â€œThe County tried to get the old CSX bed in North Gates a few years back, and the company asked for more than 10 million just for that small section.ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â</p>
<p>If that is indeed true then CSX has determined that the value of that small strip of land is $10 million dollars and it should be taxed accordingly. Gates has been suffering from the Property tax loss from Kodak so this little piece of land should make up for a lot of that.<br />
That might make them rethink the actual value of this property.</p>
<p>IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢m not sure what to think about this Stainton guy but I think IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ll swing by Boulder Coffee tomorrow to sign his petition. If nothing else at least Maggie may have to answer some questions as to why she hasnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t done anything in the last 4 years and why anyone should support the Renaissance Boondoggle.</p>
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		<title>By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2007/07/30/a-conversation-with-andy-stainton/#comment-54086</link>
		<dc:creator>rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the TV&#8230; 13WHAM ran a piece this morning with Andrew Stainton and Bill Nojay talking about whether or not Million Dollar Maggie would debate Stainton. I&#8217;m [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the TV&#8230; 13WHAM ran a piece this morning with Andrew Stainton and Bill Nojay talking about whether or not Million Dollar Maggie would debate Stainton. I&#8217;m [...]</p>
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		<title>By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2007/07/30/a-conversation-with-andy-stainton/#comment-54077</link>
		<dc:creator>rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Andrew Stainton will be at Boulder Coffee (100 Alexander St) from 5:00 to 6:00 pm on Weds 8/15. RSVP at http://www.dfalink.com/event.php?id=22764 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Andrew Stainton will be at Boulder Coffee (100 Alexander St) from 5:00 to 6:00 pm on Weds 8/15. RSVP at <a href="http://www.dfalink.com/event.php?id=22764" rel="nofollow">http://www.dfalink.com/event.php?id=22764</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2007/07/30/a-conversation-with-andy-stainton/#comment-54058</link>
		<dc:creator>rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] halfway through the 7 to 8 o&#8217;clock morning show on WHAM Channel 13. The piece will feature Andrew Stainton and Bill Nojay discussing whether or not there should be a debate in the race for County [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] halfway through the 7 to 8 o&#8217;clock morning show on WHAM Channel 13. The piece will feature Andrew Stainton and Bill Nojay discussing whether or not there should be a debate in the race for County [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2007/07/30/a-conversation-with-andy-stainton/#comment-51969</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 13:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dj raises important points (even though I like the idea of a light rail system.).

The rr tracks and track beds are privatley owned - CSX, which is only interested in profits - and they've torn up some of the track already. The old trolly bed tracks are gone in many places, too. 

The County tried to get the old CSX bed in North Gates a few years back, and the company asked for more than 10 million just for that small section.. 

We'd have to spend tens if not hundreds of millions to buy the old bed and lay tracks, or to track the old tolly bed.

I don't know if anyone in government has the guts to support that.

Hey Massa - an issue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dj raises important points (even though I like the idea of a light rail system.).</p>
<p>The rr tracks and track beds are privatley owned - CSX, which is only interested in profits - and they&#8217;ve torn up some of the track already. The old trolly bed tracks are gone in many places, too. </p>
<p>The County tried to get the old CSX bed in North Gates a few years back, and the company asked for more than 10 million just for that small section.. </p>
<p>We&#8217;d have to spend tens if not hundreds of millions to buy the old bed and lay tracks, or to track the old tolly bed.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if anyone in government has the guts to support that.</p>
<p>Hey Massa - an issue?</p>
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		<title>By: bythepeople</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2007/07/30/a-conversation-with-andy-stainton/#comment-51815</link>
		<dc:creator>bythepeople</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great perspective, hsrstud!</description>
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		<title>By: hsrstud</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2007/07/30/a-conversation-with-andy-stainton/#comment-51810</link>
		<dc:creator>hsrstud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank goodness you aren't running, I guess that would make four?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank goodness you aren&#8217;t running, I guess that would make four?</p>
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		<title>By: dj_paige</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2007/07/30/a-conversation-with-andy-stainton/#comment-51790</link>
		<dc:creator>dj_paige</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, congratulations to RT for this interview series, and also congratulations to Mr. Stainton for running against the horrid Maggie Brooks.

I would encourage Mr. Stainton to develop more policies and positions other than simply regional transportation. No doubt, we need a vastly improved regional transportation system, and it is good that Mr. Stainton will focus some energy onto that issue that has been long neglected, or cynically mis-used to push Ren Square.

I do take exception this statement by Mr. Stainton's:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The light rail idea isnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t grandiose, itÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s a simple solution to a major problem. The tracks are already there. WeÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢re talking about leveraging existing assets to create a natural transportation spine across the county. How does this help a suburban voter who might not be directly served by the line, well, now youÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ve got that much less traffic on the roads, that much less of a tie-up on 490.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What tracks, specifically? There are no existing tracks other than those owned by private corporations. I seriously doubt those corporations will let the public use those tracks for passenger service. Furthermore, there are empty railroad right-of-ways with no tracks (some exist now as hiking/biking trails) that might be used, but creating a light-rail system is &lt;b&gt;extremely&lt;/b&gt;expensive, time-consuming and limiting. Limiting? Yes, once you build it, the light-rail system only goes to those locations...which was one of the downfalls of the old Rochester Subway. When new locations need transportation, they get no benefit from the light-rail system that doesn't go there. A better solution: improved county-wide (and regional) bus systems. Little infrastructure improvement is required, purchasing buses is less expensive than building light-rail systems, and routes can be planned for today's needs, and if tomorrow's needs change, there is almost zero expense to change the routes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, congratulations to RT for this interview series, and also congratulations to Mr. Stainton for running against the horrid Maggie Brooks.</p>
<p>I would encourage Mr. Stainton to develop more policies and positions other than simply regional transportation. No doubt, we need a vastly improved regional transportation system, and it is good that Mr. Stainton will focus some energy onto that issue that has been long neglected, or cynically mis-used to push Ren Square.</p>
<p>I do take exception this statement by Mr. Stainton&#8217;s:</p>
<blockquote><p>The light rail idea isnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t grandiose, itÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s a simple solution to a major problem. The tracks are already there. WeÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢re talking about leveraging existing assets to create a natural transportation spine across the county. How does this help a suburban voter who might not be directly served by the line, well, now youÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ve got that much less traffic on the roads, that much less of a tie-up on 490.</p></blockquote>
<p>What tracks, specifically? There are no existing tracks other than those owned by private corporations. I seriously doubt those corporations will let the public use those tracks for passenger service. Furthermore, there are empty railroad right-of-ways with no tracks (some exist now as hiking/biking trails) that might be used, but creating a light-rail system is <b>extremely</b>expensive, time-consuming and limiting. Limiting? Yes, once you build it, the light-rail system only goes to those locations&#8230;which was one of the downfalls of the old Rochester Subway. When new locations need transportation, they get no benefit from the light-rail system that doesn&#8217;t go there. A better solution: improved county-wide (and regional) bus systems. Little infrastructure improvement is required, purchasing buses is less expensive than building light-rail systems, and routes can be planned for today&#8217;s needs, and if tomorrow&#8217;s needs change, there is almost zero expense to change the routes.</p>
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		<title>By: stlo7</title>
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		<dc:creator>stlo7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Is he also a crackpot? Oh crap, there I go again."

Cute retort MAT. lol

We will try to find out more about Christopher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is he also a crackpot? Oh crap, there I go again.&#8221;</p>
<p>Cute retort MAT. lol</p>
<p>We will try to find out more about Christopher.</p>
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		<title>By: MAT</title>
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		<dc:creator>MAT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I admit, I was overly harsh and I apologize. So who is this Working Families Party candidate, Patrick Christopher? Is he also a crackpot? Oh crap, there I go again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admit, I was overly harsh and I apologize. So who is this Working Families Party candidate, Patrick Christopher? Is he also a crackpot? Oh crap, there I go again.</p>
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		<title>By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2007/07/30/a-conversation-with-andy-stainton/#comment-51777</link>
		<dc:creator>rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] we told you all about Andrew Stainton, who is running for County Exec as a member of the sustainability party. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: hsrstud</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2007/07/30/a-conversation-with-andy-stainton/#comment-51741</link>
		<dc:creator>hsrstud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 05:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I'd like to see how Mr. Stainton responds to MAT's allegations. However, I do feel the phrase "youÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ll lose credibility amongst those of us who want our elected officials to have some level of competence" is overly harsh. I mean Mr. Stainton is a professor at MCC, who taught math and science in high school. On the other hand, Maggie is a former news reporter. I imagine that if you took away all of her advisers, she wouldn't look very knowledgeable. I don't find her all that competent as a politician, even with an administrative staff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I&#8217;d like to see how Mr. Stainton responds to MAT&#8217;s allegations. However, I do feel the phrase &#8220;youÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ll lose credibility amongst those of us who want our elected officials to have some level of competence&#8221; is overly harsh. I mean Mr. Stainton is a professor at MCC, who taught math and science in high school. On the other hand, Maggie is a former news reporter. I imagine that if you took away all of her advisers, she wouldn&#8217;t look very knowledgeable. I don&#8217;t find her all that competent as a politician, even with an administrative staff.</p>
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		<title>By: stlo7</title>
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		<dc:creator>stlo7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 03:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MAT - we simply interviewed him.  He is the only candidate running against Brooks unless you count your write-in campaign.  You certainly aren't begrudging someone who is running.

At our next opportunity we will ask him to clarify his comments. Regarding who is on board or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MAT - we simply interviewed him.  He is the only candidate running against Brooks unless you count your write-in campaign.  You certainly aren&#8217;t begrudging someone who is running.</p>
<p>At our next opportunity we will ask him to clarify his comments. Regarding who is on board or not.</p>
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		<title>By: stlo7</title>
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		<dc:creator>stlo7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 03:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vote for you?  

MAT - Declare and make plans on getting 1500 signatures and we will interview you.  I think DFE is spot on here.

One of the things that impressed be about Stainton was a practical approach using as he termed low hanging fruit as opposed to large and grandiose ideas.  Lots of little actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vote for you?  </p>
<p>MAT - Declare and make plans on getting 1500 signatures and we will interview you.  I think DFE is spot on here.</p>
<p>One of the things that impressed be about Stainton was a practical approach using as he termed low hanging fruit as opposed to large and grandiose ideas.  Lots of little actions.</p>
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