If you want to blame her last time then fine, blame her for last time, but its totally insane to go on the atack against her this time! Frankly I don’t see how it gets us anywhere; anywhere where you would like to see the party go, anywhere that I would like to see the party go, or I’m pretty sure anyone who reads this blogs on any kind of regular basis would like to see the party go.

Historians and Political Scientists alike like to use counterfactuals as a sort of academic exercise, one of the more fmous ones being that had Cleopatro’s nose been smaller then perhaps Marc Antony would not have ben attracted to her, which would not have led to the downfall of the Roman Empire, which would not have led to, etc. etc. I find this exercise of blaming Louise for the candidate that she supported last cycle running this cycle to be as pointless as that example.

That doesn’t mean she can do anything about it now (though I think she can), but you can’t deny that she supported him last time and that it’s likely he wouldn’t be running now had she not done so.

It would be great if we could all join hands and sing a song, and I’m not against that, but that doesn’t mean we should deny the truth.

I think sometimes we all get a little bit too caught up in what we as individuals can do as well as what our politicians can do.

But I don’t see how it is ignorant to say that Louise at some level created this situation.

(1) Agreed. We can prove that Slaughter DID support Slaughter, but we can’t prove that she does! I don’t have any real love for MCDC or the DCCC, but I think that it is pretty clear that at least one interested party has supported Nachbar. Is that because of his ideals? Probably not. Is it because of his money? Possibly. Is it because he simply isn’t Eric Massa? Quite possibly. I think that in and of itself is where virtually all of us here become irate, we support Eric, but the DCCC seems to want to undermine our support.

That being said, for the most part I don’t think that the DCCC is made up of morons and frankly it would take a moron to really believe that any dem has a fighting chance against Nachbar Massa. Following that strain of thought I have to believe that Nachbar is going balls to the wall for this because he wants to. If he’s been told by any consultant that he has any kind of chance of winning this primary then he has been taken to town more than I was when Sony Vaccor told me that I had a legit chance of going straight to the NBA from High School.

(2) I don’t really and fullydisagree, but I think that Slaughter is irrelevant here and that more falls on Morrelle and MCDC as a whole. And yes, I do think that as voices of the people here and outlets of the people that this is the palce to debate where and how the resources should be spent. Furthermore, I also think that this falls into the local committee system where most vounteers come from and where, frankly, I have not been totally pleased witht he way that things work. Again, my main point here is that I beleive the blame is misdirected and it concerns me that we are not spending our efforts wisely at all times.

I think the same thing that everyone does: that Joe wants Nachbar for something else (maybe a run for State Senate) and doesn’t want to piss him off too much.

I’m not saying that’s a good reason, just that it does seem to be his angle. And it makes sense to me.

(1) We can say what we will about MCDC and the DCCC, but the only person we can prove to have supported Nachbar was Slaughter. And I think she can do something to get him out of the race. Maybe she already is and we just haven’t heard about it.

(2) What you say about utilizing resources: that’s the whole point here. Nachbar’s candidacy is a drain on resources. And frankly, it shouldn’t be up to us part-time bloggers to decide how to stop this waste, it should be people like the DCCC, MCDC, and our local political leaders…like Slaughter.

Yes, it is a fact that Louise supported Nachbar last cycle, but it is no fact that she has supported him this time around. All sources that i have ever heard from say otherwise.

In terms of fruitless, let me say this; we spent oodles of time on this blog discussing infrastructure and wanting to ensure that our “precious resources” are being used to their fullest, yet we seem to cast fruitless blame towards Louise for Nachbar? How is that not egging for a fight that we don’t need? I personally I have heard from people say that Louise needs to fall in line or she’s going to face a primary challenger. How does does that utilize our resources?

Look, I have issues with virtually every politician in this area, but I find this aspect of the arugment to be fruitless. However, please don’t take it as a personal slight.

Second — don’t care for your tone.

Obviously, its not Joe’s responsibility to decide whether or not the DCCC decides to push one of the two candidates, however; I certainly think Joe has a right to represent the preferences of the towns in Monroe County, and put the MCDC stamp of approval in the form of an endorsement for Massa. My understanding is that all of the other county committees in Massa’s district have done so. Am I right?