Comments on: Vermont, enough said http://rochesterturning.com/2007/06/30/vermont-enough-said/ turning the tide upstate Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:11:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate http://rochesterturning.com/2007/06/30/vermont-enough-said/#comment-63224 rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate Tue, 02 Oct 2007 02:25:46 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2007/06/30/vermont-enough-said/#comment-63224 [...] roving reporter, reporting in, from North River, New York, in the company of Exile and Stlo7, where, once again a field of flags has taken up residence in an out-of-the-way location to remind those of us who traverse the country, [...] [...] roving reporter, reporting in, from North River, New York, in the company of Exile and Stlo7, where, once again a field of flags has taken up residence in an out-of-the-way location to remind those of us who traverse the country, [...]

]]> By: Mgh http://rochesterturning.com/2007/06/30/vermont-enough-said/#comment-47853 Mgh Mon, 02 Jul 2007 21:56:00 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2007/06/30/vermont-enough-said/#comment-47853 Sadly, I do not believe that any NY State legislator would run with this. Remember, in Vermont the state legislature took it up after resolutions were passed by most of the state's towns. In the towns, individual citizens voted - true democracy! Sadly, I do not believe that any NY State legislator would run with this. Remember, in Vermont the state legislature took it up after resolutions were passed by most of the state’s towns. In the towns, individual citizens voted - true democracy!

]]> By: ladkiddo http://rochesterturning.com/2007/06/30/vermont-enough-said/#comment-47816 ladkiddo Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:50:21 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2007/06/30/vermont-enough-said/#comment-47816 It is great to see this kind of discussion arising from this local blog. Anybody want to take the ball and run with it ? I know that neither my state senator (Alesi), nor my assembly person (Erigo) would sponsor such a thing. Anybody have a progressively minded NYS legislator who might want to climb on board? "And if ever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is a right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute a new government.......................it is a right, it is a duty" It is great to see this kind of discussion arising from this local blog. Anybody want to take the ball and run with it ? I know that neither my state senator (Alesi), nor my assembly person (Erigo) would sponsor such a thing. Anybody have a progressively minded NYS legislator who might want to climb on board?
“And if ever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is a right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute a new government…………………..it is a right, it is a duty”

]]> By: Mgh http://rochesterturning.com/2007/06/30/vermont-enough-said/#comment-47815 Mgh Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:35:56 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2007/06/30/vermont-enough-said/#comment-47815 Complements of my son in law: The resolution was to impeach both Bush and Cheney. It passed in the Vermont senate but failed in the house. It follows: Senate Resolution By Senators White and Shumlin, S.R. 16. Senate resolution urging Vermont's Representative in the United States House of Representatives to introduce, and Vermont's United States Senators to support, a resolution requiring the United States House Judiciary Committee to initiate impeachment proceedings against the President and the Vice President of the United States. Whereas, President George W. Bush and Vice President Richard Cheney have exercised the duties of their respective offices with respect to both domestic and foreign affairs in ways that raise serious questions of constitutionality, statutory legality, and abuse of the public trust, and Whereas, the President's conduct in his role as Commander in Chief in leading our nation into the military conflict in Iraq, and the Vice President's continual advocacy for American troops remaining in Iraq, have cost the United States much of the good will that was extended to our country in the wake of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States, and Whereas, the President's and the Vice President's domestic leadership on issues relating to individual privacy and personal liberty under law has raised constitutional issues of the greatest concern to the nation's citizenry, now therefore be it Resolved by the Senate: That the Senate of the State of Vermont urges Vermont's Representative in the United States House of Representatives to introduce, and Vermont's United States Senators to support, a resolution requiring the United States House Judiciary Committee to initiate impeachment proceedings against the President and the Vice President of the United States, and be it further Resolved: That the Secretary of the Senate be directed to send a copy of this resolution to Unites States Representative Peter Welch, United States Senator Patrick J. Leahy and United States Senator Bernard San Complements of my son in law: The resolution was to impeach both Bush and Cheney. It passed in the Vermont senate but failed in the house. It follows:

Senate Resolution

By Senators White and Shumlin,

S.R. 16. Senate resolution urging Vermont’s Representative in the United
States House of Representatives to introduce, and Vermont’s United States
Senators to support, a resolution requiring the United States House
Judiciary Committee to initiate impeachment proceedings against the
President and the Vice President of the United States.

Whereas, President George W. Bush and Vice President Richard Cheney have
exercised the duties of their respective offices with respect to both
domestic and foreign affairs in ways that raise serious questions of
constitutionality, statutory legality, and abuse of the public trust, and

Whereas, the President’s conduct in his role as Commander in Chief in
leading our nation into the military conflict in Iraq, and the Vice
President’s continual advocacy for American troops remaining in Iraq, have
cost the United States much of the good will that was extended to our
country in the wake of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the
United States, and

Whereas, the President’s and the Vice President’s domestic leadership on
issues relating to individual privacy and personal liberty under law has
raised constitutional issues of the greatest concern to the nation’s
citizenry, now therefore be it

Resolved by the Senate:

That the Senate of the State of Vermont urges Vermont’s Representative in
the United States House of Representatives to introduce, and Vermont’s
United States Senators to support, a resolution requiring the United States
House Judiciary Committee to initiate impeachment proceedings against the
President and the Vice President of the United States, and be it further

Resolved: That the Secretary of the Senate be directed to send a copy of
this resolution to Unites States Representative Peter Welch, United States
Senator Patrick J. Leahy and United States Senator Bernard San

]]> By: Mgh http://rochesterturning.com/2007/06/30/vermont-enough-said/#comment-47757 Mgh Mon, 02 Jul 2007 01:46:35 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2007/06/30/vermont-enough-said/#comment-47757 Good question! Good question!

]]> By: army42 http://rochesterturning.com/2007/06/30/vermont-enough-said/#comment-47755 army42 Mon, 02 Jul 2007 01:37:14 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2007/06/30/vermont-enough-said/#comment-47755 What about Cheney? What about Cheney?

]]> By: Mgh http://rochesterturning.com/2007/06/30/vermont-enough-said/#comment-47747 Mgh Mon, 02 Jul 2007 00:34:09 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2007/06/30/vermont-enough-said/#comment-47747 Unfortunately, there are a few Walmarts. I knew that Vermont communities had forced Walmart to modify its typical store before letting them in but I guess there is one that is awful and more are threatened. Just looked this up. http://www.vermontwalmartwatch.org/walmart_plan.html Even in Vermont, Walmart crushes through the opposition. Regardless, Vermont is still one of the best places in the country for progressives to find like minded souls. Many towns, Warren included, passed impeachment resolutions several months ago. Everyone votes at these town meetings and my daughter and son-in-law cast their votes to impeach George. Unfortunately, there are a few Walmarts. I knew that Vermont communities had forced Walmart to modify its typical store before letting them in but I guess there is one that is awful and more are threatened. Just looked this up. http://www.vermontwalmartwatch.org/walmart_plan.html Even in Vermont, Walmart crushes through the opposition.
Regardless, Vermont is still one of the best places in the country for progressives to find like minded souls. Many towns, Warren included, passed impeachment resolutions several months ago. Everyone votes at these town meetings and my daughter and son-in-law cast their votes to impeach George.

]]> By: ladkiddo http://rochesterturning.com/2007/06/30/vermont-enough-said/#comment-47684 ladkiddo Sun, 01 Jul 2007 16:56:10 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2007/06/30/vermont-enough-said/#comment-47684 Oh, thank you so much for this information. I'm glad you saw the post and were able to reply. How lucky your daughter and family are to live there. We stopped at the Hotel on the corner of 100/125 and waited out a downpour while we ate a fabulous, home cooked meal. I look forward to getting back that way and am now encouraging my youngest son to consider Middlebury for his continued education. :) There are no Wal-marts in Vermont!!! Oh, thank you so much for this information. I’m glad you saw the post and were able to reply. How lucky your daughter and family are to live there. We stopped at the Hotel on the corner of 100/125 and waited out a downpour while we ate a fabulous, home cooked meal. I look forward to getting back that way and am now encouraging my youngest son to consider Middlebury for his continued education. :)

There are no Wal-marts in Vermont!!!

]]> By: Mgh http://rochesterturning.com/2007/06/30/vermont-enough-said/#comment-47681 Mgh Sun, 01 Jul 2007 16:39:25 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2007/06/30/vermont-enough-said/#comment-47681 The town you passed through with the flag memorial was Warren, VT, just a few miles north of Rochester, VT. Warren is the home of my daughter, son-in-law, and grandson. It is a wonderful, spirited, progressive town. Warren's Fourth of July parade is famous. It's message is almost universally progressive and it's floats are world class (thanks to a coterie of talented architects who populate the community). I tried to put pictures of the 2006 parade up but couldn't figure out how to do it. The flags you saw planted marched on three floats in the parade before they were put in the ground. The Sugarbush Ski Resort had a float with a big sign on the back saying "Make Snow Not War!" The town you passed through with the flag memorial was Warren, VT, just a few miles north of Rochester, VT. Warren is the home of my daughter, son-in-law, and grandson. It is a wonderful, spirited, progressive town. Warren’s Fourth of July parade is famous. It’s message is almost universally progressive and it’s floats are world class (thanks to a coterie of talented architects who populate the community). I tried to put pictures of the 2006 parade up but couldn’t figure out how to do it. The flags you saw planted marched on three floats in the parade before they were put in the ground. The Sugarbush Ski Resort had a float with a big sign on the back saying “Make Snow Not War!”

]]> By: stlo7 http://rochesterturning.com/2007/06/30/vermont-enough-said/#comment-47673 stlo7 Sun, 01 Jul 2007 14:30:41 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2007/06/30/vermont-enough-said/#comment-47673 Yeah - we should double our travel budget! :-) Yeah - we should double our travel budget! :-)

]]> By: Tom http://rochesterturning.com/2007/06/30/vermont-enough-said/#comment-47658 Tom Sun, 01 Jul 2007 11:41:12 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2007/06/30/vermont-enough-said/#comment-47658 There's also something really sad about the fact that now more American soldiers have been killed than Americans were killed in the 9/11 attacks. This says so much about Bush's war and its planning and goals and how little he truly values American lives. Stay the course=more will die. There’s also something really sad about the fact that now more American soldiers have been killed than Americans were killed in the 9/11 attacks.

This says so much about Bush’s war and its planning and goals and how little he truly values American lives. Stay the course=more will die.

]]> By: Tom http://rochesterturning.com/2007/06/30/vermont-enough-said/#comment-47656 Tom Sun, 01 Jul 2007 11:33:27 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2007/06/30/vermont-enough-said/#comment-47656 You're right this war cannot be won, but does anyone even know what a win would be? That's the problem of going into something quickly, under false pretenses and without any exit strategy. I thought the invasion of Iraq had two purposes--get rid of Saddam and allow Iraq to have their first democratic election. Both of those things have been done. So, why are we still there? OIL. You’re right this war cannot be won, but does anyone even know what a win would be? That’s the problem of going into something quickly, under false pretenses and without any exit strategy.

I thought the invasion of Iraq had two purposes–get rid of Saddam and allow Iraq to have their first democratic election. Both of those things have been done.

So, why are we still there? OIL.

]]> By: stlo7 http://rochesterturning.com/2007/06/30/vermont-enough-said/#comment-47620 stlo7 Sun, 01 Jul 2007 03:40:50 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2007/06/30/vermont-enough-said/#comment-47620 I suppose it takes time to update the casualties on the signs. The definitive source for me is this site. <a href="http://icasualties.org/oif/" rel="nofollow">http://icasualties.org/oif/ </a> Nice post. I suppose it takes time to update the casualties on the signs. The definitive source for me is this site.

http://icasualties.org/oif/

Nice post.

]]> By: bythepeople http://rochesterturning.com/2007/06/30/vermont-enough-said/#comment-47614 bythepeople Sun, 01 Jul 2007 02:52:30 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2007/06/30/vermont-enough-said/#comment-47614 Thanks for this. I love when our blog team becomes roving reporters. As I found out in seattle, I can't just visit a place anymore. My eyes are peeled for interesting progressive stuff. Thanks for this. I love when our blog team becomes roving reporters. As I found out in seattle, I can’t just visit a place anymore. My eyes are peeled for interesting progressive stuff.

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