Comments on: More on the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. http://rochesterturning.com/2007/04/20/more-on-the-us-chamber-of-commerce/ turning the tide upstate Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:03:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate http://rochesterturning.com/2007/04/20/more-on-the-us-chamber-of-commerce/#comment-89242 rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:08:49 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2007/04/20/more-on-the-us-chamber-of-commerce/#comment-89242 [...] look at US CoC Spirit of Enterprise award winner Randy Kuhl - remember that post and the chamber’s view on labor? Well, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce (really freaking big [...] [...] look at US CoC Spirit of Enterprise award winner Randy Kuhl - remember that post and the chamber’s view on labor? Well, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce (really freaking big [...]

]]> By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate http://rochesterturning.com/2007/04/20/more-on-the-us-chamber-of-commerce/#comment-44880 rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate Wed, 13 Jun 2007 10:05:47 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2007/04/20/more-on-the-us-chamber-of-commerce/#comment-44880 [...] are their labor priorities again. Don’t have any food in your mouth lest you ruin your [...] [...] are their labor priorities again. Don’t have any food in your mouth lest you ruin your [...]

]]> By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate http://rochesterturning.com/2007/04/20/more-on-the-us-chamber-of-commerce/#comment-43610 rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:16:23 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2007/04/20/more-on-the-us-chamber-of-commerce/#comment-43610 [...] from Coalition for a Democratic Workplace. I wonder if there is a relationship between them and U.S. Chamber of Commerce lobbying group who recently awarded Randy an Enterprise award. Oh you can read more about the [...] [...] from Coalition for a Democratic Workplace. I wonder if there is a relationship between them and U.S. Chamber of Commerce lobbying group who recently awarded Randy an Enterprise award. Oh you can read more about the [...]

]]> By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate http://rochesterturning.com/2007/04/20/more-on-the-us-chamber-of-commerce/#comment-37892 rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate Fri, 04 May 2007 10:13:08 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2007/04/20/more-on-the-us-chamber-of-commerce/#comment-37892 [...] wrote about some of our members of Congress and their relationship to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Well - it gets [...] [...] wrote about some of our members of Congress and their relationship to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Well - it gets [...]

]]> By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate http://rochesterturning.com/2007/04/20/more-on-the-us-chamber-of-commerce/#comment-35841 rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:52:01 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2007/04/20/more-on-the-us-chamber-of-commerce/#comment-35841 [...] You have a couple of posts by stlo about labor donating to candidates who are rated extremely high by a, well group that really doesn’t support labor at all. Here is the Post [...] [...] You have a couple of posts by stlo about labor donating to candidates who are rated extremely high by a, well group that really doesn’t support labor at all. Here is the Post [...]

]]> By: stlo7 http://rochesterturning.com/2007/04/20/more-on-the-us-chamber-of-commerce/#comment-35707 stlo7 Sat, 21 Apr 2007 04:07:56 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2007/04/20/more-on-the-us-chamber-of-commerce/#comment-35707 Redirecting here. The point of this post is to expand the view beyond the 29th district and low and behold others in addition to Randy earned the US CofC awards. I'm sure I'll discover that Labor contributes to Reynolds and Walsh as well when I look. This post has nothing to do with John McCain. Nor does it have anything to do with saying nice things about Republicans. A stopped watch is right 2 twice a day. My point is this - Context is important here. Sure McCain was a strong advocate of CFR. Where is he on CMCE? Trouble is without Feingold - there is no McCain Feingold bill. I have to look but the bill is a start and not as strong as it could be. He also has a carefully crafted Maverick image and as the curtain on McCains maverick status is pulled back we discover there really isn't one. Like I said he is wrong on many things Iraq is but one of them. I believe in Credit where credit is due. I've written I like Maggie's computer recycling policy. However, I wonder how long it will last and from an operational issue how it can be done better. I've written that I liked Randy Kuhl when he wrote the a letter to the SecDef Gates about stop loss. OK - But where was that letter before there was a Democratic controlled congress? However - Back to the watch metaphor - does a broken watch get credit for being correct twice a day? Redirecting here.

The point of this post is to expand the view beyond the 29th district and low and behold others in addition to Randy earned the US CofC awards. I’m sure I’ll discover that Labor contributes to Reynolds and Walsh as well when I look.

This post has nothing to do with John McCain. Nor does it have anything to do with saying nice things about Republicans. A stopped watch is right 2 twice a day.

My point is this - Context is important here. Sure McCain was a strong advocate of CFR. Where is he on CMCE? Trouble is without Feingold - there is no McCain Feingold bill. I have to look but the bill is a start and not as strong as it could be.

He also has a carefully crafted Maverick image and as the curtain on McCains maverick status is pulled back we discover there really isn’t one. Like I said he is wrong on many things Iraq is but one of them.

I believe in Credit where credit is due. I’ve written I like Maggie’s computer recycling policy. However, I wonder how long it will last and from an operational issue how it can be done better.

I’ve written that I liked Randy Kuhl when he wrote the a letter to the SecDef Gates about stop loss. OK - But where was that letter before there was a Democratic controlled congress?

However - Back to the watch metaphor - does a broken watch get credit for being correct twice a day?

]]> By: Rottenchester http://rochesterturning.com/2007/04/20/more-on-the-us-chamber-of-commerce/#comment-35665 Rottenchester Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:02:31 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2007/04/20/more-on-the-us-chamber-of-commerce/#comment-35665 I'm edgy like that. I’m edgy like that.

]]> By: Exile on Ericsson St. http://rochesterturning.com/2007/04/20/more-on-the-us-chamber-of-commerce/#comment-35663 Exile on Ericsson St. Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:46:12 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2007/04/20/more-on-the-us-chamber-of-commerce/#comment-35663 <i>but he’s right when he says that money is at the bottom of the problems in DC. </i> Really going out on a limb there, Rotten. but he’s right when he says that money is at the bottom of the problems in DC.

Really going out on a limb there, Rotten.

]]> By: Rottenchester http://rochesterturning.com/2007/04/20/more-on-the-us-chamber-of-commerce/#comment-35653 Rottenchester Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:40:04 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2007/04/20/more-on-the-us-chamber-of-commerce/#comment-35653 No, it doesn't make it right. I just answered the question you posed. Unfortunately, I think many unions don't serve their membership well, for a host of complex reasons. Also, it's OK to say that a Republican did a good thing once in a while. McCain's support of finance reform is a good thing. So is Feingold's. No, it doesn’t make it right. I just answered the question you posed. Unfortunately, I think many unions don’t serve their membership well, for a host of complex reasons.

Also, it’s OK to say that a Republican did a good thing once in a while. McCain’s support of finance reform is a good thing. So is Feingold’s.

]]> By: stlo7 http://rochesterturning.com/2007/04/20/more-on-the-us-chamber-of-commerce/#comment-35646 stlo7 Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:18:55 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2007/04/20/more-on-the-us-chamber-of-commerce/#comment-35646 So does that make it right? Well, the woman who wanted everyone to eat cake also <a href="http://thinkexist.com/quotes/marie_antoinette/" rel="nofollow">said this</a> after it all caught up to her in the end. "I was a queen, and you took away my crown; a wife, and you killed my husband; a mother, and you deprived me of my children. My blood alone remains: take it, but do not make me suffer long" So - Single issue groups need to look at the broader picture as to who best advocates the bulk of their positions. If they don't, they can only hope that in the end - their suffering is swiftly ended. Oh- John McCain (he, like Randy, is a 100%er from US CofC) doesn't have an exclusive on saying money is the root of the problem in DC. No mention of Feingold? McCain is wrong on a lot of things not just Iraq. So does that make it right?

Well, the woman who wanted everyone to eat cake also said this after it all caught up to her in the end.

“I was a queen, and you took away my crown; a wife, and you killed my husband; a mother, and you deprived me of my children. My blood alone remains: take it, but do not make me suffer long”

So - Single issue groups need to look at the broader picture as to who best advocates the bulk of their positions. If they don’t, they can only hope that in the end - their suffering is swiftly ended.

Oh- John McCain (he, like Randy, is a 100%er from US CofC) doesn’t have an exclusive on saying money is the root of the problem in DC. No mention of Feingold?

McCain is wrong on a lot of things not just Iraq.

]]> By: Rottenchester http://rochesterturning.com/2007/04/20/more-on-the-us-chamber-of-commerce/#comment-35643 Rottenchester Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:46:15 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2007/04/20/more-on-the-us-chamber-of-commerce/#comment-35643 Here's my answer: the micro-agenda of the union conflicts with the macro-agenda of unions in general. Example: The ironworkers want more money spent on projects were their tradesmen are employed. Kuhl's on the transportation and infrastructure committee. So he gets some money so the ironworkers get some access for some of their pet projects. John McCain might be wrong about Iraq, but he's right when he says that money is at the bottom of the problems in DC. Here’s my answer: the micro-agenda of the union conflicts with the macro-agenda of unions in general. Example: The ironworkers want more money spent on projects were their tradesmen are employed. Kuhl’s on the transportation and infrastructure committee. So he gets some money so the ironworkers get some access for some of their pet projects.

John McCain might be wrong about Iraq, but he’s right when he says that money is at the bottom of the problems in DC.

]]> By: Exile on Ericsson St. http://rochesterturning.com/2007/04/20/more-on-the-us-chamber-of-commerce/#comment-35642 Exile on Ericsson St. Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:44:46 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2007/04/20/more-on-the-us-chamber-of-commerce/#comment-35642 Great catch. Great catch.

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