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	<title>Comments on: Kuhl states &#8216;Employee Free Choice Act&#8217; is bad for Workers</title>
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	<description>turning the tide upstate</description>
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		<title>By: Rottenchester</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2007/03/06/kuhl-states-employee-choice-act-is-bad-for-workers/#comment-23263</link>
		<dc:creator>Rottenchester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 22:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're right, LB, it's OK for Kuhl to hold that position, and he defended his position pretty well.  I also have concerns about the bill - I don't think it's the most onerous requirement that unions be elected by secret ballot.  And you're also right that he didn't say that someone's a Commie for supporting it, he just said the CPUSA supported it.  

But his response raises three questions: First, and least important, who cares if the worn-out, yesterday's news Communist Party supports any piece of legislation?  They're just not a force anymore, and dragging them into the conversation doesn't add anything.  I'm sure there's a slew of stuff that Kuhl supports that the CPUSA also supports.   Second, and more important, if this bill is as evil as Kuhl says, why did he co-sponsor a bill that was only four words different in the last session.  Third, and most important, why did he withdraw that co-sponsorship after the election, and not before?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, LB, it&#8217;s OK for Kuhl to hold that position, and he defended his position pretty well.  I also have concerns about the bill - I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the most onerous requirement that unions be elected by secret ballot.  And you&#8217;re also right that he didn&#8217;t say that someone&#8217;s a Commie for supporting it, he just said the CPUSA supported it.  </p>
<p>But his response raises three questions: First, and least important, who cares if the worn-out, yesterday&#8217;s news Communist Party supports any piece of legislation?  They&#8217;re just not a force anymore, and dragging them into the conversation doesn&#8217;t add anything.  I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s a slew of stuff that Kuhl supports that the CPUSA also supports.   Second, and more important, if this bill is as evil as Kuhl says, why did he co-sponsor a bill that was only four words different in the last session.  Third, and most important, why did he withdraw that co-sponsorship after the election, and not before?</p>
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		<title>By: optimusprime</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2007/03/06/kuhl-states-employee-choice-act-is-bad-for-workers/#comment-23056</link>
		<dc:creator>optimusprime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 15:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My post is flawed slightly because I didn't detail the positive benefits of the passage of this bill. Specifically, Majority Sign-Up.  The following link below explains explicitly why Majority Sign-Up is crucial for collective bargaining in empowering the rights of workers.

http://araw.org/takeaction/efca/cardsummary.cfm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My post is flawed slightly because I didn&#8217;t detail the positive benefits of the passage of this bill. Specifically, Majority Sign-Up.  The following link below explains explicitly why Majority Sign-Up is crucial for collective bargaining in empowering the rights of workers.</p>
<p><a href="http://araw.org/takeaction/efca/cardsummary.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://araw.org/takeaction/efca/cardsummary.cfm</a></p>
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		<title>By: LB</title>
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		<dc:creator>LB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 13:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kuhl's response was clear and to the point.  The bill abolishes the requirement for a secret ballot vote to unionize.  So he's against it.  Of course union organizers like being able to collect and sometimes coerce "votes" en masse, and a secret ballot is an impediment.  I didn't hear anything about "support this and you're a Communist" in there either.  The only thing this is an example of is blogs and citizens regurgitating talking points to cast their pet issue in the most favorable light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kuhl&#8217;s response was clear and to the point.  The bill abolishes the requirement for a secret ballot vote to unionize.  So he&#8217;s against it.  Of course union organizers like being able to collect and sometimes coerce &#8220;votes&#8221; en masse, and a secret ballot is an impediment.  I didn&#8217;t hear anything about &#8220;support this and you&#8217;re a Communist&#8221; in there either.  The only thing this is an example of is blogs and citizens regurgitating talking points to cast their pet issue in the most favorable light.</p>
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		<title>By: stlo7</title>
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		<dc:creator>stlo7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great example</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great example</p>
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		<title>By: Brighton Resident</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brighton Resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 13:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Body language is so telling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Body language is so telling.</p>
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		<title>By: Rottenchester</title>
		<link>http://rochesterturning.com/2007/03/06/kuhl-states-employee-choice-act-is-bad-for-workers/#comment-22523</link>
		<dc:creator>Rottenchester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was an interesting exchange - I thought red baiting went out of fashion in the 70's.  Also, so much for "not debating".  

Here's a constructive suggestion to those asking questions:  If you disagree with Kuhl's vote on an issue, it's also worth taking a look at the process behind the vote.  This is a good example.  The questioner could have asked the question like this:

"I support the right of unions to organize freely, so I was sorry to see you vote against HR 800 last week.  I also noticed that you co-sponsored HR 1696 last year, which was four words different from HR 800. You withdrew that co-sponsorship after the election.  I would respectfully ask that in future you support pro-labor legislation, and also that you withdraw co-sponsorships before the election, so your constituents can see where you stand when they go to the voting booth."

If Kuhl knew that she had done a little digging and uncovered his flip-flop, the exchange would have been re-framed.  I doubt, for example, the CPUSA would have been involved.  I've &lt;a href="http://www.fighting29th.com/2007/03/whats_orwellian.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;got a post&lt;/a&gt; detailing the differences between the two bills, which also links to the original source materials to see when he withdrew his co-sponsorship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was an interesting exchange - I thought red baiting went out of fashion in the 70&#8217;s.  Also, so much for &#8220;not debating&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a constructive suggestion to those asking questions:  If you disagree with Kuhl&#8217;s vote on an issue, it&#8217;s also worth taking a look at the process behind the vote.  This is a good example.  The questioner could have asked the question like this:</p>
<p>&#8220;I support the right of unions to organize freely, so I was sorry to see you vote against HR 800 last week.  I also noticed that you co-sponsored HR 1696 last year, which was four words different from HR 800. You withdrew that co-sponsorship after the election.  I would respectfully ask that in future you support pro-labor legislation, and also that you withdraw co-sponsorships before the election, so your constituents can see where you stand when they go to the voting booth.&#8221;</p>
<p>If Kuhl knew that she had done a little digging and uncovered his flip-flop, the exchange would have been re-framed.  I doubt, for example, the CPUSA would have been involved.  I&#8217;ve <a href="http://www.fighting29th.com/2007/03/whats_orwellian.html" rel="nofollow">got a post</a> detailing the differences between the two bills, which also links to the original source materials to see when he withdrew his co-sponsorship.</p>
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