Comments on: Rural upstate also turning blue http://rochesterturning.com/2006/11/20/rural-upstate-also-turning-blue/ turning the tide upstate Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:29:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate http://rochesterturning.com/2006/11/20/rural-upstate-also-turning-blue/#comment-3803 rochesterturning.com: turning the tide upstate Sat, 25 Nov 2006 14:54:11 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2006/11/20/rural-upstate-also-turning-blue/#comment-3803 [...] Massa made gains in every county over Barend in 04. Some questions arise. What’s up with Yates Co.? I can’t attribute it entirely to the “rural voter” swing Exile posted on before, since Allegany and Catt counties both are equivalently rural to Yates. (More on that in a followup post.) [...] [...] Massa made gains in every county over Barend in 04. Some questions arise. What’s up with Yates Co.? I can’t attribute it entirely to the “rural voter” swing Exile posted on before, since Allegany and Catt counties both are equivalently rural to Yates. (More on that in a followup post.) [...]

]]> By: hsrstud http://rochesterturning.com/2006/11/20/rural-upstate-also-turning-blue/#comment-3727 hsrstud Tue, 21 Nov 2006 01:26:29 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2006/11/20/rural-upstate-also-turning-blue/#comment-3727 Actually, funny you should mention this. I have a family member (in-law) who claims to be a Republican Communist. He's very religious, although not evangelical. Somehow (and this may have changed), he says he can relate to McCain, Bush, and Arnold. I just put it down to him living in California. Actually, funny you should mention this. I have a family member (in-law) who claims to be a Republican Communist. He’s very religious, although not evangelical. Somehow (and this may have changed), he says he can relate to McCain, Bush, and Arnold. I just put it down to him living in California.

]]> By: hsrstud http://rochesterturning.com/2006/11/20/rural-upstate-also-turning-blue/#comment-3726 hsrstud Tue, 21 Nov 2006 01:21:46 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2006/11/20/rural-upstate-also-turning-blue/#comment-3726 Ditto, or so I hope. Ditto, or so I hope.

]]> By: Exile on Ericsson St. http://rochesterturning.com/2006/11/20/rural-upstate-also-turning-blue/#comment-3724 Exile on Ericsson St. Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:50:11 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2006/11/20/rural-upstate-also-turning-blue/#comment-3724 Anyway, I think in the end what we see right now is genuinely religious, well-meaning people being duped into supporting a radical corporatist agenda. It's shameful to me that religious leaders like Dobson and Haggard manipulate decent religious people the way that they do. Anyway, I think in the end what we see right now is genuinely religious, well-meaning people being duped into supporting a radical corporatist agenda. It’s shameful to me that religious leaders like Dobson and Haggard manipulate decent religious people the way that they do.

]]> By: Exile on Ericsson St. http://rochesterturning.com/2006/11/20/rural-upstate-also-turning-blue/#comment-3723 Exile on Ericsson St. Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:47:49 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2006/11/20/rural-upstate-also-turning-blue/#comment-3723 That's an interesting question. I don't know what the answer is, but I would not expect that evangelical Christians or Christians from established churches are conservative economically. Jesus was certainly pretty far to the left economically (somewhere between socialist and communist, I'd say) and it's pretty hard to dress the New Testament up as The Wealth of Nations. That’s an interesting question. I don’t know what the answer is, but I would not expect that evangelical Christians or Christians from established churches are conservative economically. Jesus was certainly pretty far to the left economically (somewhere between socialist and communist, I’d say) and it’s pretty hard to dress the New Testament up as The Wealth of Nations.

]]> By: hsrstud http://rochesterturning.com/2006/11/20/rural-upstate-also-turning-blue/#comment-3722 hsrstud Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:46:37 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2006/11/20/rural-upstate-also-turning-blue/#comment-3722 Interesting. Makes sense to me. Hadn't thought about it this way. Interesting. Makes sense to me. Hadn’t thought about it this way.

]]> By: hsrstud http://rochesterturning.com/2006/11/20/rural-upstate-also-turning-blue/#comment-3721 hsrstud Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:43:36 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2006/11/20/rural-upstate-also-turning-blue/#comment-3721 That is my understanding as well, at least socially. Perhaps, they are less conservative economically as well from what you were saying? That is my understanding as well, at least socially. Perhaps, they are less conservative economically as well from what you were saying?

]]> By: Exile on Ericsson St. http://rochesterturning.com/2006/11/20/rural-upstate-also-turning-blue/#comment-3720 Exile on Ericsson St. Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:41:56 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2006/11/20/rural-upstate-also-turning-blue/#comment-3720 My take is this: most long-established churches have had to come to grips with all sorts of political change and realize that is unhealthy for a religion to become too political. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. My take is this: most long-established churches have had to come to grips with all sorts of political change and realize that is unhealthy for a religion to become too political. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.

]]> By: Exile on Ericsson St. http://rochesterturning.com/2006/11/20/rural-upstate-also-turning-blue/#comment-3719 Exile on Ericsson St. Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:38:40 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2006/11/20/rural-upstate-also-turning-blue/#comment-3719 In the rural northeast, these churches are usually non-evangelical. Non-evangelical church goers are not as conservative in general (it varies from denomination to denomination, of course). In the rural northeast, these churches are usually non-evangelical. Non-evangelical church goers are not as conservative in general (it varies from denomination to denomination, of course).

]]> By: hsrstud http://rochesterturning.com/2006/11/20/rural-upstate-also-turning-blue/#comment-3718 hsrstud Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:35:26 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2006/11/20/rural-upstate-also-turning-blue/#comment-3718 Sorry, forgot to reference the author of the quote. Malcolm Cutchin, 1997 Sorry, forgot to reference the author of the quote. Malcolm Cutchin, 1997

]]> By: hsrstud http://rochesterturning.com/2006/11/20/rural-upstate-also-turning-blue/#comment-3717 hsrstud Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:34:19 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2006/11/20/rural-upstate-also-turning-blue/#comment-3717 Regardless of our religious preferences in metro NY, I think its important for us to remember how important Christian church life is in rural America. Churches are often the central social hub for rural families. This from a research article I was just reading. I happen to be interested in rural affairs. "Despite the effect of other local clubs and organizations, churches appear to dominate as netowrks that formalize ongoing communication between members in a community. Church attendance continues its religious role for many in the community, although it has a fundamental social role as well." Oftentimes, famlies that move into rural areas (as rare as this may be, one example would be physicians) find they have to belong to a church in order to successfully integrate into their community. I'm not sure how big of a factor church life is in rural upstate NY, but I see a ton of churches with filled pews on Sunday in suburban NY. Instead of gay marriage, maybe rural upstate church attendees talk about ungodly taxes? Regardless of our religious preferences in metro NY, I think its important for us to remember how important Christian church life is in rural America. Churches are often the central social hub for rural families.

This from a research article I was just reading. I happen to be interested in rural affairs.

“Despite the effect of other local clubs and organizations, churches appear to dominate as netowrks that formalize ongoing communication between members in a community. Church attendance continues its religious role for many in the community, although it has a fundamental social role as well.”

Oftentimes, famlies that move into rural areas (as rare as this may be, one example would be physicians) find they have to belong to a church in order to successfully integrate into their community. I’m not sure how big of a factor church life is in rural upstate NY, but I see a ton of churches with filled pews on Sunday in suburban NY. Instead of gay marriage, maybe rural upstate church attendees talk about ungodly taxes?

]]> By: bythepeople http://rochesterturning.com/2006/11/20/rural-upstate-also-turning-blue/#comment-3706 bythepeople Mon, 20 Nov 2006 16:08:42 +0000 http://rochesterturning.com/2006/11/20/rural-upstate-also-turning-blue/#comment-3706 From experience, my first response is to be leery of evangelicals since they tend to push their religion on me or my country. But the more I see and read, my experience has been with the really pushy kind, not the quiet, faithful kind who, like you said, care about poverty and unjust war. From experience, my first response is to be leery of evangelicals since they tend to push their religion on me or my country. But the more I see and read, my experience has been with the really pushy kind, not the quiet, faithful kind who, like you said, care about poverty and unjust war.

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